tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post2308369175223272942..comments2024-03-19T03:20:05.162-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: When was the split?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-5619206169137644922013-02-01T19:26:35.427-05:002013-02-01T19:26:35.427-05:00This is what really happened.<a href="http://genetiker.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">This</a> is what <i>really</i> happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-8804852553206014242013-01-31T14:46:15.376-05:002013-01-31T14:46:15.376-05:00...my point was that asians did not differentiate ......my point was that asians did not differentiate from europeans, since there were no true europeans at that time. They differentiated from asian-like africans who lived in Europe.<br /><br />Also, what is PNG in the figure? Anyway, i scooped the article quickly but notice that the authors clearly state in Table4 that Neanderthals are closer to europeans (non africans) than Africans. So reciproquely, Europeans are closer to Neanderthals than Africans.<br />Since we consider Neanderthals a separate sub species of homo sapiens, that makes Africans an even more separate sub species. Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-78652717691152898402013-01-31T01:14:56.452-05:002013-01-31T01:14:56.452-05:00It's a completely different time period but co...It's a completely different time period but coincidentally<br /><br />http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/whale-remains-reinforce-notion-of.html<br /><br />whale-hunting along the atlantic coast could be a later example of sea-based adaptation and subsequent expansion.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-63108806612354691832013-01-31T01:04:15.535-05:002013-01-31T01:04:15.535-05:00"Stable isotope dietary analysis of the Tiany..."Stable isotope dietary analysis of the Tianyuan 1 early modern human' says it lived on fish for a substantial part of the year; <b>which could only be due to scarcity of animals to hunt</b>, yet the area was swarming with game during the Malokheta Interstade."<br /><br />If you look at it from the point of view of food-getting then there are three options<br />- gathering<br />- hunting<br />- fishing<br /><br />Early humans who developed fishing might have been able to expand much faster than the others as long as they stuck to coasts and rivers.<br /><br />In terms of out of africa that gives two dramatically different and divergent routes: a southern coastal one and an atlantic one - with possible later hunter and/or gatherer expansions as they caught up.<br /><br />I do wonder about those Bushmen eyefolds.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-61498579814327523282013-01-29T14:41:35.354-05:002013-01-29T14:41:35.354-05:00Tianyuan is 10,000 years before the next earliest ...Tianyuan is 10,000 years before the next earliest date for freshwater fishing (hooks found in E.Europe which may have actually been for hunting water-birds.) <br /><br />Fish is nice for a change, but I don't think it would be a staple food by choice . Anyway, men don't hunt just for food; they do it by way of demonstrating prowess.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-27509652361428177412013-01-29T12:25:26.141-05:002013-01-29T12:25:26.141-05:00The other one (Bushman to amerindian) is
http://i4...The other one (Bushman to amerindian) is<br />http://i49.tinypic.com/os5xtg.jpg<br /><br />just copy paste the link, too bad the forum doesn't take html lins.Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-33485395871480326872013-01-29T12:22:50.666-05:002013-01-29T12:22:50.666-05:00This is basically as old as Cro magnon.
So, 'd...This is basically as old as Cro magnon.<br />So, 'differentiated from europeans'? but what europeans?<br /><br />Hypothesis number 1:<br />African Hunters looking more or less like Buhmen (with asian traits) reach Eurasia and loose all their afro-asian features to become european-like Cro Magnons. Once in Asia these cro-magnons reacquire asian features and loose their european features. <br /><br />Or hypothesis number 2:<br />African Hunters looking more or less like Buhmen reach Eurasia but DO NOT loose their afro-asian features immediately, so Cro Magnons must have looked partly like robust afro-asian or Bushmen. 40 000 years ago, some of them move in Asia where these loose some African features but retain the bushmen-asian features, while those who stayed in Europe loose both their African Bushman and asian features.<br /><br />In hypothesis 2 nothing is lost then reacquired, and this is much more economic than hyp. 1) so the so-called 'europeans Cro-Magnons' must have looked like robust Bushmen more than Europeans.<br /><br />I retouched a picture of a San Buhsman from Africa to show how these "Africans' actually look more asian or amerindian than African. I choose a Thai man by comparison and a reconstruction of a 11500 years old south amerindian from Wikipedia.<br /><br />[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/16gyeyr.jpg[/IMG]Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-56316101462989674082013-01-28T14:58:11.726-05:002013-01-28T14:58:11.726-05:00I believe Peking Man is now believed to be from 75...I believe Peking Man is now believed to be from 750,000 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-66119255845853840552013-01-28T14:13:28.216-05:002013-01-28T14:13:28.216-05:00Western scientists' involvement is no guarante...Western scientists' involvement is no guarantee of objectivity. Note the claim (once widely accepted) that there was use of fire by Peking man for lighting, cooking, and heating at Zhoukoudian 400,000 years ago.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-6773349678976048492013-01-28T10:23:32.104-05:002013-01-28T10:23:32.104-05:00"Chinese scientists are prone to claiming tha..."Chinese scientists are prone to claiming that the there is continuity of humans in China as far back as you can go"<br /><br />Yes, and it's pretty much the opposite of the funded occidental researcher, who is lobbied to find that 'europeans' never existed and were initially transposed africans. <br />My bet is that, deep inside, and despite the appearences given for the occidental medias, chinese evolutionists are not darwinian by essence. Darwinism as a causal force is completely antithetic of confusianism, boudhism or even chamanism.Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-51791153242948331022013-01-27T17:22:02.312-05:002013-01-27T17:22:02.312-05:00What about saltwater fishing? Was there saltwater ...What about saltwater fishing? Was there saltwater fishing before then? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-71651403050637937942013-01-27T16:43:01.469-05:002013-01-27T16:43:01.469-05:00It's the earliest date for freshwater food exp...It's the earliest date for freshwater food exploitation in Eurasia, and to show up in the analysis it must have been year round. All very odd.<br /><br />Chinese scientists are prone to claiming that the there is continuity of humans in China as far back as you can go.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-13572167530930951372013-01-27T16:06:16.994-05:002013-01-27T16:06:16.994-05:00Maybe they preferred fish or were better fishermen...Maybe they preferred fish or were better fishermen or fish were easier to catch than the land game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-49108412498755271462013-01-27T10:55:02.168-05:002013-01-27T10:55:02.168-05:00Stable isotope dietary analysis of the Tianyuan 1 ...<a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/106/27/10971.full" rel="nofollow">Stable isotope dietary analysis of the Tianyuan 1 early modern human'</a> says it lived on fish for a substantial part of the year; which could only be due to scarcity of animals to hunt, yet the area was swarming with game during the Malokheta Interstade.<br /><br />If there were enough Tianyuan man like hunters to deplete the game 40,000 years ago; why is Tianyuan man the only example to be found?Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-61050010023294407232013-01-26T22:30:56.632-05:002013-01-26T22:30:56.632-05:00That AMS C-14 date is solid.That AMS C-14 date is solid.gcochranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17752921901568851463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44972962320666532702013-01-26T15:44:52.412-05:002013-01-26T15:44:52.412-05:00Tianyuan man "did not carry a larger proporti...Tianyuan man "did not carry a larger proportion of Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA than present-day people in the region." <a href="http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/article00842.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a>. 40,000 years old? I doubt it.Seannoreply@blogger.com