tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post2446670743071421714..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Do Chinese people get bored less easily?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-2037102149622474632016-02-10T23:34:22.324-05:002016-02-10T23:34:22.324-05:00I think that not getting easily bored could actual...I think that not getting easily bored could actually be a sign of a person having a great wealth of inner resources to keep one occupied without the need for much external stimulation, although certainly there are certainly some number of individuals on the low end of the IQ average who aren't susceptible to boredom precisely because there is so little going on in their minds.<br />Conversely, while it is true that susceptibility to boredom can mean that someone is filled with intellectual curiosity that must be sated, it can also just as easily be a sign that someone is so poor of imagination that they require constant stimulation lest they become impulsive and disruptive.<br />So I think that high IQ can be related to boredom in multiple ways that are mediated by overall temperament.<br />zaglossusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15670424377189920262015-05-25T04:09:22.266-04:002015-05-25T04:09:22.266-04:00A different method should be to lookup sites inten...A different method should be to lookup sites intended for world wide web results the other may choose to subscribe to this updates regarding like websites. 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Would the Vietnamese be an even better example of how rice farming makes for cohesive groups? You can't get a better test of group selection than war, and the Vietnamese have proved throughout history to be formidable soldiers in wars of national resistance."<br />(Sean said, November 28, 2014 at 4:58:00 PM GMT-5)<br /><br />It seems that you have no much clue about whom are "Vietnamese".<br /><br /><br />There were no "Vietnamese" previously, which is a modern name. <br /><br />1. If you mark the start of China's Qin Dynasty as the start of unified China in history, then current Northern Vietnam was part of China since the very start, populated by the Han Chinese. The First Emporer of China had set up countyship there called "Jiao Zhi County"( translate literally "the cross of the toes County". That the souhtern end of China at a time.<br /><br />As time moved on, most of these Han Chinese in Northern Vietnam have inbreeded with the indigenous people from Southern Vietnam , creating "Vietnamese", and hence "Vietnamese nationalism" and "fighting spirit" maninly thank to their partial Han Chinese blood -particularly in the North.<br /><br />2. Throughtout history, there has been no single "Vietnam", but always (till today) 2 Vietnames : the North and the South, in almost every way. The North has significantly heavier Han Chinese blood running, with the South significantly lesser. The Northen part of Vietnam has been the intellectual centre of the whole region, contributing the lion share of Vietnam's elites). Nowadays you frenquenly see Vietnam ace Internatial Maths Olympiad , or int'l competitions like PISA 2012 ahead of Germany even. You now should know why - because of the involvement of the north.<br /><br /><br />3. Above is the fundamental reason why at the start of the Vietnam War, China warned the US never to corss the 17th parallel (lat. 17°N) of Vietnam or else, because China/Chinese have always deemed the north of the 17th parallel has been traditionally (culturally, ethnicly, etc) sort of half-"Chinese".<br /><br />[ Actually from the historical point of view, the similar fits the Northen part of Korea as well- i.e. Northern part of Korea was a part of imperial China almost since the very start, and there had been 4 official counties there set up by the Imperial China central govt 2,000 year ago, heavily populated by the Han Chinese, together with later waves of migrations trying to avoid wars in Northern China noteablely at the end of 17th centry. Later, these Han Chinese interbreeded with much more numerous indigenious people of the southern part of Korea peninsula creating today "Koreans"]<br /><br />So already having the lesson learned from the earlier Korean War, the US troops got the Chinese signal and did not get across the 17th parallel during the entire Vietnam War, not even once.<br /><br />4. BTW, despite of several half-hearted attempts in the 2,000 years for imperial China to try to *recover* (note that not "invade") its former area of northern Vietnam, China has been never determined to do so, even in the recent encounter in 1979, just called it "to teach them a lesson".<br /><br />5. The modern China (PRC) only participated (sending troops) foreign war twice since 1949. One was Korean War (sending troops to Northern Korea), the other was Vietnam War (sending massive logistics support to Northern Vietnam - north of the 17th parallel). Now I guess it won't take a genius for the West to understand why so.<br /><br />Panda@Warnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-87324058254218374692014-12-05T10:46:27.165-05:002014-12-05T10:46:27.165-05:00I have no access to the full article, but maybe it...I have no access to the full article, but maybe it is of interest: Oxytocin Receptor and Vasopressin receptor 1a genes are respectively associated with emotional and cognitive empathy http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X14002220<br />(Hormones and Behavior, Dec 2014)Erwin Schmidthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04403383980437554603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44067007391680540632014-12-02T10:37:01.135-05:002014-12-02T10:37:01.135-05:00Rh,
Yes, this seems to tie in with other research...Rh,<br /><br />Yes, this seems to tie in with other research, especially on infants. East Asians tend to be less fidgety and more at home with low-arousal situations.<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Yes, we have more data. You might want to read Freedman's research on Chinese-American and European-American newborns, which showed differences in temperament between the two groups even in infancy. The Chinese-American newborns cried less easily and were more easily consoled. They could also adapt to almost any position they were laid in.<br /><br />See “Ethnic differences in babies” – Daniel G. Freedman<br /><br />http://books.google.ca/books?hl=fr&lr=&id=ZSizAQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA221&dq=chinese+newborns+authornbsp:Freedman&ots=qmXzoc4LA2&sig=9ok39HeCPwJTLsUfE_-yq4EcXxQ#v=onepage&q&f=false<br /><br />Many of my posts are reviews of recent studies. There are other studies I could have mentioned, like Freedman's research and the work on dopamine receptors (see Sean's comment). That would have been a much longer post, and I assumed (wrongly it seems) that my readers were already familiar with these other studies.<br /><br />Sean,<br /><br />Thanks for the references! The mental makeup that prevails in East Asia is probably a result of many different selection pressures, i.e., rice farming, intensive agriculture, the imperial exam system, etc. There is no common theoretical framework other than gene-culture co-evolution and, more broadly, evolution by natural selection.<br /><br />Spageti,<br /><br />Similar probably in the sense of being more egocentric. It's hard to generalize too much because there have been other selection pressures besides the mode of subsistence.<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Interesting. I believe John Derbyshire has written about differences in literary genres between China and Europe.<br /><br /><br />Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-67810612943261386722014-11-30T02:16:48.590-05:002014-11-30T02:16:48.590-05:00If independent thinking is genetic, maybe there is...If independent thinking is genetic, maybe there is a pathway which is triggered by social interaction. So the girl on the bed is in a state of not being triggered whereas the boy with the gadget doesn't need the social trigger. <br /><br />I find it curious that one of the main preoccupations of Europeans is the detective story. And 'the detective' is mostly a social misfit or loner; a maverick who pursues his/er own moral principles before deference to authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-71654979981423865622014-11-30T01:59:57.484-05:002014-11-30T01:59:57.484-05:00Sean, I looked up the M woman and was surprised ho...Sean, I looked up the M woman and was surprised how beautiful she is. I went to the site of the lady who does the facial reconstructions, and I was surprised how beautiful she is too. Anyway - there is a reconstruction of a woman 30,000ya and she looks European too; I had no idea, with all the talk of skeletons and SNPs, that people looked European so long ago. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-78608318034295005562014-11-29T12:07:54.249-05:002014-11-29T12:07:54.249-05:00So do other wheat-farming groups like iranians, no...So do other wheat-farming groups like iranians, north indians, and central asians show similar characteristics to europeans? <br /><br />spagetiMeatballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01324633097628826684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-56369984398276123192014-11-29T09:46:56.561-05:002014-11-29T09:46:56.561-05:00The Dopamine D4 Receptor Gene (DRD4) Moderates Cul...<a href="http://pss.sagepub.com/content/25/6/1169.short" rel="nofollow">The Dopamine D4 Receptor Gene (DRD4) Moderates Cultural Difference in Independent Versus Interdependent Social Orientation</a> " As in earlier work, European Americans were more independent, and Asian-born Asians more interdependent. This cultural difference was significantly more pronounced for carriers of the 7- or 2-repeat alleles than for noncarriers. Indeed, no cultural difference was apparent among the noncarriers.."<br /><br />As far as I can gather the 7R allele that is implicated in sensation seeking behaviour (including interracial mating) and ADD/ADHD in Europeans is very rare in Chinese. It is the 2-repeat alleles that is commonly found in East Asians with ADD/ADHD. It's weird indeed that they seem have their own allele for being easily bored.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-55514948008723162192014-11-29T08:30:23.685-05:002014-11-29T08:30:23.685-05:00more recently barbarianmore recently barbarianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-28310398703885549552014-11-28T16:58:38.242-05:002014-11-28T16:58:38.242-05:00Sociable hunter gathers. Much of what are believed...<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6022/1286.abstract&link_type=GOOGLESCHOLAR" rel="nofollow">Sociable hunter gathers</a>. Much of what are believed to be physical signs of human 'domestication' seems to have appeared in Europe in the transition from the hulking Cro-magnons to the sveltely reduced Magdelenian people of the last glacial maximum. <br /><br />As with the hypothesis of guilt at not cooperating stemming from selection among Mesolithic coastal forager communities (along the same coast that later happened to have the world's first modern societies) it seem the cloven hoof of group selection is making an appearance in this post. (<a href="http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/EP104549.pdf" rel="nofollow">A sceptical reviewer</a> says "For the time being, however, individual-level theories seem to outshine group selection when it comes to illuminating human biological adaptations for cooperation.")<br /><br />Individualists would cooperate out of fear of shame, which maybe is not real group selection at all? Chinese are known to be averse to loosing face, groups would be less flexible for running on shame instead of guilt, and so less able to get a trust economy off the launch pad. The people who did, the Dutch (from that aforementioned north European coast) really transformed China into an economically and demographically booming state in the late 17th century. China was soon importing rice from Vietnam.<br /><br />The Chinese exam system may have been responsible for some of their characteristics. Would the Vietnamese be an even better example of how rice farming makes for cohesive groups? You can't get a better test of group selection than war, and the Vietnamese have proved throughout history to be formidable soldiers in wars of national resistance.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46156178958361612014-11-28T13:22:46.208-05:002014-11-28T13:22:46.208-05:00Is there more data on this? Brain scans, adhd epid...Is there more data on this? Brain scans, adhd epidemiology, etc. There's also a risk of false diagnoses. Attention disorders are very poorly diagnosed and often overdiagnosed. <br /><br />You're degenerating into a typical HBD-blogger. You're making all sorts of interesting speculations from already existing data. Like J and S who quite often cherry pick incidents to fit their data. The issue of variation in boredom is pretty complicated to approach from a 'simple' hbd perspective. Basically everything can be fitted into the hbd viewpoint according to hbd-ers.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-5791301054550859552014-11-28T10:19:21.684-05:002014-11-28T10:19:21.684-05:00Fascinating. I've got a Korean girlfriend, and...Fascinating. I've got a Korean girlfriend, and it's incredible how easily she deals with boredom. I'll leave her alone for half an hour to take a shower, and come back and she's pretty much just staring at the wall when I come back. If I have to wait for someoneI reach for the nearest gadget until they're done.. RHnoreply@blogger.com