tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post2724617193559245007..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Born this way?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-18694656719007614782016-05-24T00:38:32.821-04:002016-05-24T00:38:32.821-04:00I have read your interesting posts on this subject...I have read your interesting posts on this subject. I think female bisexuality is adaptive to a non-monogamous society. I think its rise is explained by systems of polygyny and by Western serial monogamy morphing into polygamy, in all but name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47708814941942232082013-04-11T13:12:26.332-04:002013-04-11T13:12:26.332-04:00Peter, check out this new hypothesis about female ...Peter, check out this new hypothesis about female bisexuality making the rounds. Note my comments there:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-entertainment/201304/born-both-ways" rel="nofollow">Born Both Ways? | Psychology Today</a>JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-59543615137834999472013-01-07T16:16:52.951-05:002013-01-07T16:16:52.951-05:00I think THIS IS THE REASON FOR LADY GAGA HAVE BEEN...I think THIS IS THE REASON FOR LADY GAGA HAVE BEEN TARGETED BY PSYCHIATRIST SOCIAL CONTROL GROUP. <br />She is right under mind programming, behavior modification, drug. I thought she has been labeled 'mental illness' in some way or the other. Any way, individual sexuality is under government medicalization of control, even fantasy can be labelled 'deviant'. It is the hardest truth we human had never been encount during the whole human history. Please visit my blog if got time, or if your want looking into psychiatrist mind programming, brainwashing, behavior modification, madicalization of sin, etc. My blog minddefensecoach.wordpress.com<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239491067021533369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-23590471222521542212012-07-31T08:17:08.148-04:002012-07-31T08:17:08.148-04:00Hypothesis for reasons for male homosexuality:
I ...Hypothesis for reasons for male homosexuality:<br /><br />I was not aware gays were more frequent for mothers or aunts with many children.<br /><br />The reason, IMHO, is pretty simple:<br /><br />1) Mother with few children or one having one gay child will have a much lower fertility in the long run. 1:2, 1:3 is a severe reduction of fertility.<br /><br />2) Mothers with many children will have a lower reduction of fertility if one male child is gay.<br /><br />What could be the advantage to have a gay male over many children (of various sex) for the mother or the aunts?<br />Gays would stay in the family (until 100 years ago, the majority of people lived in farms) and lend their work to keeping the family or, if they worked out, they would leave inheritances to their family members.<br />This is simply a way to indirectly increase the K factor. This would not be only true for gays but also for disinterested in sex males. They would be the ox of the family.<br />There was a tradition in the past in Italy, where every good family would have at least one uncle going to seminar and becoming a priest (or a noun for the female). Often, from this position, they would relieve the family from the need to keep them feed, educated, etc. and when they become priests or higher, they would be in position to help their brothers/sisters sons to obtain a good job, access cheaper education, care for the older parents, uncle/aunts, etc.<br /><br />So, I expect, a reduction of women fertility will result in lot less homosexuals men and more female homosexuality.<br /><br />---<br />Male are attracted by just matured or near to maturation girls over mature women or too young babes for other simple reasons:<br /><br />1) If they are the first male having sex with them, there is a larger probability they bond with them forever and give them children.<br />2) Younger need care and this is expensive (and then become difficult to bond with them for psychological mechanisms preventing inbreeding)<br />3) Older female (having already know other men or probable to have know other men) are more difficult to bond with the male long term, they could have offspring the male don't want (and causing their death or other damage will not make easier for the woman to bond with the male)<br /><br />--<br />Women are rarely attracted by younger men because they usually lack the ability to provide for her children. They prefer mature men for this.<br /><br />My two centspainlord2k@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04566115851088917514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-19449182082172945352012-07-26T15:06:43.112-04:002012-07-26T15:06:43.112-04:00Hmmm. Interesting.
We find out astronaut Sally R...Hmmm. Interesting. <br /><br />We find out astronaut Sally Ride was lesbian, more interestingly, that her sister is too.<br /><br />Research of female sexuality, esp. of families in which more than one sibling is lesbian, is esp. rare, is it not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-84827243150556241122012-07-24T18:11:32.522-04:002012-07-24T18:11:32.522-04:00Male homosexuals are more common among north Europ...<i>Male homosexuals are more common among north Europeans than other populations. North European men are possibly more likely to be exclusively gay than bisexual.<br /></i><br /><br />Not in California. There's a huge gay Mexican population, and among the whites, the Mediterranean (eg Italian, Jewish) predominate. And many, many, many gay blacks.<br /><br />North Europeans, and East Asians, seem to have the LOWEST rates of homosexuality. Yes, there are some gay blonds and gay Asians, but in my experience, they are rare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-36917934914612877132012-07-22T21:10:11.635-04:002012-07-22T21:10:11.635-04:00My understanding is that same-sex practices in the...<b>My understanding is that same-sex practices in the Western world involved primarily frottage and oral sex, not anal sex. Only since "gay liberation" has anal sex become "acceptable."</b><br /><br />My understanding is that AIDS spread *more* rapidly among gay men because sexual diseases transmitted through the blood stream transfer more easily through anal sex.<br /><br />It also spread rapidly among some heterosexual populations with very high promiscuity who tend to have a lot of other sexual illnesses so the anal sex thing may be a red herring. I just mention it as a possibility.<br /><br />If not, then if the bug exists and what you say is correct then the number of exclusively homosexual men would have gone up since the switch in behavior.<br /><br />(As would the number of lesbian and / or bisexual women with the recent mainstreaming of young female promiscuity through education and the media and hetero anal sex via porn.)<br /><br />.<br /><b>If you think the bug spread through sexual means, that would mean it succeeded through other means as well.</b><br /><br />Sexual means is a form of physical contact. As sex is a particularly intimate form of physical contact i imagine it's a particularly effective means of transmission but any physical contact may be the absolute, if low odds, minimum.<br /><br />.<br /><b>You have to account for how the small child/infant contracted the bug. It's clear that most gay men were little boys whose homosexual orientation was established when they were very, very young, either children, toddlers, infants, or even fetuses.</b><br /><br />I don't think there is a single explanation. I think some of it is chimera / conditions in the womb and that lies behind Sailer's observation that lesbians aren't gay except i think lesbians and a percentage of gay men are gay for birth reasons and (if the germ theory is correct) there's another percentage of gay men and lesbian (or imo more likely bisexual) women who have the bug.<br /><br />.<br /><b>It seems just as likely the damage is a side effect of a non-sexually transmitted disease, doesn't it?</b><br /><br />Could be. I should say what i tend to do is take an idea, assume it's true, and then run it into a wall to test it. So i don't *believe* in the germ theory as such but so far it is interesting to me as a possibility, not specifically because of homosexuality but more because, if it's true, i think there may be a connection to rape.<br /><br />.<br /><b>After all, Dulac found that mice have dual circuits, male and female, and that knocking out a gene that processed olfactory cues in the VNO switched the female's "search image" (I guess in this case we can call it the mouse's "search scent") to male and the females began behaving both in sexual ways and in overall aggression just like males.<br /><br />Perhaps homosexuality in homo sapiens occurs in the processing of cues; that is, the brain itself has no damage, but the brain can only respond to what has been sent its way and maybe receptors for visual and/or auditory cues are damaged or turned "on"/"off" in some way. I wouldn't leave out tacile cues either.</b><br /><br />Yes. Very interesting stuff.<br /><br />Another variation on that theme could be if males physically feminized over time then the search image could remain the same but particularly feminine males could begin to match the cues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-74423785976616922262012-07-22T11:30:37.641-04:002012-07-22T11:30:37.641-04:00"I also think it's a strategy of the gay ..."I also think it's a strategy of the gay version of the bug. I think originally (if it exists) it was a compulsive promiscuity / rape bug i.e. the sort of thing you could easily imagine being loose in the recent wars in the Congo and the gay variant arose (if it exists) because it spreads easier through anal sex."<br /><br />My understanding is that same-sex practices in the Western world involved primarily frottage and oral sex, not anal sex. Only since "gay liberation" has anal sex become "acceptable."<br /><br />If you think the bug spread through sexual means, that would mean it succeeded through other means as well.<br /><br />You have to account for how the small child/infant contracted the bug. It's clear that most gay men were little boys whose homosexual orientation was established when they were very, very young, either children, toddlers, infants, or even fetuses.<br /><br />Thus, they may have contracted in in the womb, during the birth, or shortly thereafter.<br /><br />From Mom? Did Mom get it from Dad? Previous lovers? Through sex? Passed to the fetus, child?<br /><br />Does this STD make the mother/female sexually promiscuous as it does the male? Any research that establishes that mothers of gay sons had more sexual partners than mothers of hetero sons? In ticking off quickly in my head a few mothers I know of gay men, I'd say, "No, the moms aren't promiscuous at all."<br /><br />It seems just as likely the damage is a side effect of a non-sexually transmitted disease, doesn't it? <br /><br />I wonder if the damage is actually to the brain or if it's damage to receptors that process sensory cues.<br /><br />After all, Dulac found that mice have dual circuits, male and female, and that knocking out a gene that processed olfactory cues in the VNO switched the female's "search image" (I guess in this case we can call it the mouse's "search scent") to male and the females began behaving both in sexual ways and in overall aggression just like males.<br /><br />Perhaps homosexuality in homo sapiens occurs in the processing of cues; that is, the brain itself has no damage, but the brain can only respond to what has been sent its way and maybe receptors for visual and/or auditory cues are damaged or turned "on"/"off" in some way. I wouldn't leave out tacile cues either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-29937487207181084322012-07-21T02:44:35.839-04:002012-07-21T02:44:35.839-04:00"This would only be true IF"
Yes, i sho..."This would only be true IF"<br /><br />Yes, i should specify i'm operating on the premise that the base bug, if it exists, is designed to spread sexually and does so by inducing compulsive promiscuity.<br /><br />I also think it's a strategy of the gay version of the bug. I think originally (if it exists) it was a compulsive promiscuity / rape bug i.e. the sort of thing you could easily imagine being loose in the recent wars in the Congo and the gay variant arose (if it exists) because it spreads easier through anal sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-54991770072831401082012-07-19T19:05:50.975-04:002012-07-19T19:05:50.975-04:00"However also, if there's any truth in th..."However also, if there's any truth in the germ theory then it should spread itself by inducing both promiscuity and risky sexual practises"<br /><br />This would only be true IF<br /><br />1.) IF the pathogen seeks to spread itself through sexual contact (after all many pathogens spread through less sexy means such as sneezing/ coughing, etc.)<br /><br />OR <br /><br />2) IF homosexuality is the result of ANY strategy imployed by the bug rather than simply a side effect of having contracted the bugAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47241615593260215352012-07-19T06:36:56.272-04:002012-07-19T06:36:56.272-04:00"I would argue that ironically natural male s..."I would argue that ironically natural male sexual behavior is to prefer very underdeveloped females who are barely passed puberty. Males are innately driven to youth."<br /><br />Die in excruciating pain.<br /><br />.<br />On-topic:<br />I'd say partly a rise in adopted female bisexuality as a result of male sexual arousal i.e. on one hand lesbian sex as a form of heterosexual behavior (counter intuitive though that may sound) and on the other hand an increase in experimentation induced by the prevalence of male fantasies as expressed in both porn and the mainstream media.<br /><br />However also, if there's any truth in the germ theory then it should spread itself by inducing both promiscuity and risky sexual practises. This fits for male homosexuals but not lesbians.<br /><br />However it does fit for bisexual women so...i'd say the other big factor in the rise, if the germ theory is at least partly true, is the mainstreaming of anal sex and promiscuity among young girls by the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46310761051365668422012-07-13T20:36:50.947-04:002012-07-13T20:36:50.947-04:00"The interesting question, to me, is whether ..."The interesting question, to me, is whether a major reduction in the reputational cost to men for same-sex sex will allow many more men to experience same-sex sex, or whether the vast majority of guys will still be stuck with compulsory heterosexuality even if they'd like to be bisexual or gay."<br /><br /><br />"Major reduction in the reputional cost to men"?<br /><br />Honey, there IS no such "reduction." It's gone underground.<br /><br />That men don't go around yelling "hey, faggot" and "look at the fairy boy," that women don't say outloud, "he's queer as a three dollar bill" or "ach, typical homo," or that gays aren't busted in the chops regularly on the streets does not mean there's been a "reduction in the reputational cost." <br /><br />There's been an adoption of kinder language, a recognition among many(but certainly not all) that atypical biology doesn't make one a "perv," but make no mistake, every straight guy thinks, "God, I'm glad that's not me" and evey woman thinks, "God, I hope my son won't be gay," and men and women still look at one another after the limp-wristed and the gay couple walk off hand in hand and they say, "Uh...oh, well. They can't help it."<br /><br />Just as attitudes about individuals and race have changed over the decades, you still don't find white men saying, "I wish I were black" and you don't find white women saying, "I wish I was black" and you don't find black males wishing to be white although I do know black females who wish they were.<br /><br />So, no, no "reduction in reputational cost" much less a "major reduction in reputational cost."<br /><br />And why would you expect it? After all, who would want to be less fit any more than they'd want to lose an arm or a leg?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-92101310896256660362012-07-13T17:15:05.907-04:002012-07-13T17:15:05.907-04:00The sentiment that if same-sex female sexuality ha...The sentiment that if same-sex female sexuality happens for social reasons, it's somehow fake (and, often implied, to be despised or mocked). However, consistent with the findings on the non-specificity of female sexuality (e.g., turned on by monkey sex, all females turned on by naked women regardless of stated orientation, etc.), it seems that same-sex sexuality can be enjoyed by most women, even if the motivation is partially social (<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17117661" rel="nofollow">as with bonobos</a>).<br /><br />The cost of same-sex sex for females has always been low reproductively, and now it is also low reputationally as well - in fact, it may be beneficial to one's reputation.<br /><br />Men, on the other hand, demonstrate more orientation-specific arousal patterns, and there's still a reputational cost. The interesting question, to me, is whether a major reduction in the reputational cost to men for same-sex sex will allow many more men to experience same-sex sex, or whether the vast majority of guys will still be stuck with compulsory heterosexuality even if they'd like to be bisexual or gay.Sister Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01003897317594535536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-75079149288994159332012-07-13T15:52:43.788-04:002012-07-13T15:52:43.788-04:00Jason Malloy, the assertion was similar to one Pet...Jason Malloy, the assertion was similar to one Peter made: "<b>"<a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/has-male-homosexuality-changed-over.html" rel="nofollow">facultative</a> male homosexuality seems to have been overtaken by the exclusive kind throughout northern Europe and North America. </b>"Although Peter was suggesting environmental estrogens were responsible.<br /><br />Homosexuality in Africa is often a expression of dominance. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/africa/05congo.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Symbol of Unhealed Congo: Male Rape Victims</a><br /><br />The accelerating permissiveness of western countries should have produced a considerable increase in reported homosexual behaviour among males and females, but while female homosexualty has increased, male homosexuality has clearly declined significantly. If the population of the north European plain has been selected to optimise females' reproduction (as their appearance, biological fertility and 2D:4D seems to indicate) then the incidence of homosexuality among males ought to be particularly high, and the incidence of female homosexuality ought to be particularly low (all other things being equal). Of course all other things are not equal as the worlds lowest level of masculinity is found in the the least homophobic countries eg (<a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/origins-of-male-homosexuality.html" rel="nofollow">previous post</a>."<b> Miller (2000) speculates that if a typical man inherits only a few of the alleles partially preventing androgenization, he would express more kindness, sensitivity, tendermindedness, and empathy.</b>").<br /><br />A corollary of the tender-mindedness of N. European societies is that they now have significant numbers of young who are NonEuropean. The observed decline in male homosexuality in Western countries fits rather well with NonEuropeans having lower rates of homosexuality. No conclusion can be drawn from the increase in female homosexuality as the ever increasing permissiveness of western society would account for that. In theory the widespread practice of polygyny could relax selection against females being preferentially and exclusively lesbian.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-41993961825323526512012-07-13T01:11:06.193-04:002012-07-13T01:11:06.193-04:00@Sean
Did you ever consider perhaps the higher rat...@Sean<br />Did you ever consider perhaps the higher rates of male homosexuality in european cultures reflects the fact that open homosexuality results in MURDER in many third world countries?<br /><br />Or is that getting in the way of your "blacks on blondes" fantasy? A hypermasculine minimally human brown brute taking all of your nubile young blonde girls? YOur superior intellect and slow puberty can't compete with them and their fertility and aggression and masculinity. Then we devolve and it's over. Isn't that how your delusion goes?<br /><br /><br />Anecdotally, in america, where no one is murdered for being gay, it seems that black men are disporportionately homosexual to their rates in the population. Of course, this is just an armchair observation, I don't know if it is correct or not, but I strongly doubt european men, or northern european men, are more homosexual than are non-europeans. This likely reflects cultural pressures and nothing at all biological (i.e. the non-european men are on the DL, but just as gay as everyone else).<br /><br /><br />I never argued men like prepubertal girls, my argument was that if fertility exists (i.e. there are breasts and hips and a butt) men prefer the youngest possible female even if older, more fertile ones are available. So if given a choice between a 16 year old and a 21 year old, the man will prefer the 16 year old, if he has not been exposed to any social brainwashing or shaming to inhibit his natural sexual impulse.<br /><br />This clearly suggests a youth preference exists for men, a preference SPECIFICALLY for youth, which is not related to fertility, as stated over and over again fertility is lower for an early or mid teenage girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-71427484410705247912012-07-12T19:56:27.003-04:002012-07-12T19:56:27.003-04:00Bisexuality is less common in North Europe.
So no...<i>Bisexuality is less common in North Europe.</i><br /><br />So no shame whatever just making assertions backed up with no data? <br /><br />At the time I made those posts I checked both the exclusively gay and gay+bi numbers. As noted above, though, I don't think bisexuality is a meaningfully different orientation for men (i.e. bisexuals are mostly gay). So I trust the numbers more when the two categories are combined.<br /><br />But to address your assertion more directly, the ethnic ordering was very similar for exclusively male partners; groups with more gays tend to have more bisexuals.Jason Malloyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04855482153162314172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-62079744447427474512012-07-12T18:03:08.161-04:002012-07-12T18:03:08.161-04:00It is not obvious to me that you have contradicted...It is not obvious to me that you have contradicted my suggestion that preferential exclusive homosexuality is more common in the north of Europe. Finland is an outlier.<br /><br />Bisexuality is less common in North Europe.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-31456912230495685052012-07-12T17:50:58.050-04:002012-07-12T17:50:58.050-04:00"Male homosexuals are more common among north...<i>"Male homosexuals are more common among north Europeans than other populations... Non-European men are less likely to be homosexual..."</i><br /><br />Or, as I <a href="http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2012/07/jews-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-be.html#c6972659923260252923" rel="nofollow">showed last week</a> by comparing ethnic groups in the GSS, Northern European men averaged <i>lower</i> rates of male homosexuality, while non-white groups averaged <i>higher</i> rates.<br /><br />The correlation of latitude with homosexuality was -.27 for men, and -.40 for women. Temperate ancestry is associated with less homosexuality.Jason Malloyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04855482153162314172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-41483185742102404122012-07-12T17:17:48.287-04:002012-07-12T17:17:48.287-04:00http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/...http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/sexual-liberation-in-fish-is-nothing-to-celebrate/259739/<br /><br />"Despite ongoing health concerns about the endocrine-disrupting chemical known as BPA -- that it may promote breast cancer growth, for instance, harm sperm quality, or cause erectile dysfunction -- the Food and Drug Administration has yet to come down hard on the use of the substance in consumer products. It's still regularly found in our water bottles, soda cans, and even receipts. <br /><br />But while we might look past threats to our own health, a new study published yesterday in the journal Evolutionary Applications linking BPA to inter-species mating in fish may be troubling enough to make the issue worth revisiting."<br /><br />"The study, which looked at the mating behavior between blacktail shiners and red shiners that spent two weeks in BPA-contaminated tanks, found that the substance messed with the fishes' hormones enough to cause changes in both appearance and behavior, culminating in an all-out cross-species lovefest."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-35188418185053511672012-07-12T16:14:46.919-04:002012-07-12T16:14:46.919-04:00Male homosexuals are more common among north Europ...Male homosexuals are more common among north Europeans than other populations. North European men are possibly more likely to be exclusively gay than bisexual.<br /><br />Non-European men are less likely to be homosexual, but Non-European women are more likely to be lesbians.<br /><br />Given than North European culture is the most liberal on earth and getting more permissive by the year, it is surely true that North Europeans are more likely to self identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual than people in non North European culture. So how explain a fall in self reported male homosexuality and an increase in self reported lesbians, eh?<br /><br />The ethnic composition of the population of western countries has altered since 1980. That explains a fall in men with same sex sexual experiences and an increase in women with same sex sexual experiences, if we accept that north European men are less likely to be hetrosexual and north European women more likely to be hetrosexual<br /><br />Anonymous, in Britain the most read newspaper formerly featured huge photos of barely 16 year old models, topless. Samantha Fox was by far the most popular, and she was far from underdeveloped.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-57372337690852863052012-07-12T11:29:38.301-04:002012-07-12T11:29:38.301-04:00Anon at 4:45,
I can't tell if your message is...Anon at 4:45,<br /><br />I can't tell if your message is to me or to another person as you have screwed up the message times, but I'll say this one more time and then let it die because for the most part, I can't figure out what you're arguing about. <br /><br />Yes, for the last time, men are attracted to 15 year old females, or 13 or 14 *if* they possess certain secondary sexual characterisitics. That's not news! No one has been arguing against that point! <br /><br />The disagreement is whether the young men in the cruise ad are 1)masculine-looking (since the comment was made that gay men like "masculinity" in the general sense of the word, a comment I felt too broad a statement to be accurate); 2) whether those young men in the ad are analogous physically in their "masculinity" to young females in their "femininity." <br /><br />Conventional wisdom has said that gay men like boys because evolutionarily they are no different from straight men who like girlish females. (Of course there are many now who deny this and claim, "No, gay men overwhelmingly prefer manish men." Can have it both ways. )<br /><br />I posited that it might be that those gay men who prefer the type of male like those in the ad do so because they like the female-type characteristics they display coupled with the fact they have the male body part. You say it's only the "youth" that they like and that "youth" and "female" are synonymous.<br /><br />Until we know what a human's sexual circuits look like (as Dulac of Harvard has learned about the dual circuits that exist in the mouse, showing that the female mouse brain has both male and female circuits and that its male circuit is silenced by a gene controlling the VNO pheromone processing) we don't know what's controlling the attraction patterns, how the cues are processed, or how the circuit(s) work. Heck, we might find out that there are dual circuits and that in some people both of the circuits or parts of two circuits are flipped to the "on" position, flipped "on" for certain traits but not others. That could explain the "attracted to young but non-masculine" even more than "attracted to young period."<br /><br />Several stimuli forming a kind of typical package may provoke a typical male sexual response while in a small percentage of other males sensory cues are processed differently. Receptors for both the typical and atypical responses leave a lot of room for mixed responses to certain traits. <br /><br />In other words, in the homosexual male, we already have an atypical response in selecting a mate. It doesn't tax credulity to think it possible that in some who are already atypical there might not just be "youth + masculine" but also "youth + boyish-girlish." <br /><br />Simply saying "youth = feminine" may not be what's going on. <br /><br />When it comes to human sexual attraction, conventional wisdom has been wrong lots of times.<br /><br />I'm done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-9691477296090759422012-07-12T05:45:15.849-04:002012-07-12T05:45:15.849-04:00@anon 11:04
By your own admission the WHR of a 15 ...@anon 11:04<br />By your own admission the WHR of a 15 year old girl is more childish than a 25 or 21 year old woman. However, men go crazy for the 15 year old face. That is the IDEAL.<br /><br />It's almost as if you don't want to believe this: men PREFER teenagers. It's not just about boobs/hips/waist. Something in a masculine brain is sexually aroused by youth. Not prepuberty, but youth...as young as possible while being minimally fertile (and that is approximately 15 yrs old).<br /><br /><br />What utility could a youth preference have for men? It can't be fertility as fertility is crap for a 15 yr old compared to a 21 year old.<br /><br />Virginity. It also nicely explains human social behavior to sell and trade female virginity, and this practice exists in all human cultures. Men value virginity and this is a genetic imperative, so male sexual behavior exhibits this youth seeking preference unique to males.<br /><br />(and, i believe pedophilia and "twinks" culture among gay men may be a male specific phenomena related to this youth preference, being expressed maladaptively).<br /><br />Men will do a 30 year old, but would they PREFER the 15 year old. That is the issue here. We are speaking preference and it is overwhelmingly clear the male preference is pretty much a female at the earliest fertility (even though this is inferior fertility compared to older women).<br /><br />Regarding your argument that "girls mature faster"...this is true but irrelevant because women still do not prefer youth. Women do not ideally prefer an 18 or 20 year old man even though this is his peak testosterone and sexual drive. Most women value status and accomplishment in their male partners and prefer men with some signs of age (not being aged, but slightly older). The utility of this preference is equally obvious: slightly older dominant men likely possess good genes for your children.<br /><br />Finally, male/female sexual dynamics always suggest inequity in age, where a sexually successful man is implied as older and a sexually desired female is implied as younger. Men are called "daddy" and attractive women are called "girls". We don't call attractive women "women", the word "woman" is reserved for older females who are not attractive to men. Men call hot girls "girls". Women do not call attractive men "boys", although gay men will (if they are into twinks).<br /><br />It seems most females have a hard time accepting that men prefer very young females and only are interested in older ones as an afterthought, if they can't do better, or if they are too moral/social to chase the teenagers. I suppose it is like asking one to accept that their sexual value is uber low.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-23768229732034805642012-07-12T01:30:56.210-04:002012-07-12T01:30:56.210-04:00"This has to be explained better than "O..."This has to be explained better than "OMG I AM NOT A PEDOPHILE!!".<br /><br />HUH? Who suggested that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-68278226395865618202012-07-12T01:29:34.488-04:002012-07-12T01:29:34.488-04:00"15 year old girls have less secondary sexual..."15 year old girls have less secondary sexual characteristics than 25 year olds but men prefer the 15 year olds."<br /><br />Such as? I know that on average their pelvic/uterine area is not as developed as females who are a bit older, but I'm interested in knowing what exterior secondary sexual characteristics they have fewer of.<br /><br />I know 15 year old American girls well, having taught sophomores for 25 years.<br /><br />Bottom line: a female of 15 is more mature looking than a male of 15. Go into any high school class and you can observe it. Most of the 15 year old boys haven't had the growth spurt that will occur in another year or two nor do they shave nor have their brows ridges formed as those of the mature male nor have their eyebrows grown bushy.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15321457754878453012012-07-12T00:04:47.811-04:002012-07-12T00:04:47.811-04:00@anon 9:47
15 year old girls have less secondary ...@anon 9:47<br /><br />15 year old girls have less secondary sexual characteristics than 25 year olds but men prefer the 15 year olds. Nothing you say can undo the studies proving this over and over, and natural male human behavior in times of war (to murder women older than the very early 20s, and to preference the young daughters who have just started puberty) This has to be explained better than "OMG I AM NOT A PEDOPHILE!!".<br /><br />No one is arguing that men prefer undeveloped children. I am arguing that men prefer children who have entered puberty.<br /><br />Women do not prefer men who have just entered puberty. THis is a very real innate biological difference that needs to be explained.<br /><br />The ironic thing is we have such difficulty seperating youth from feminity, that my arguments seem almost insane. Youth and feminity are synonymous. <br /><br /><br /><br />@anon whether or not the gay men in the ads are masculine (or not) is irrelevant, the point is masculinity has a high sexual value to gay men. This is as fat women describe themselves as "athletic ".<br /><br />Perhaps the reason gay men seem attracted to "small" men is because "small" men are usually gay, so it only seems this way? From whta I can tell, gay men prefer masculine/larger men: actors like the rock, and fassbender, and mannegelio, and chris hemmsworth (I murdered the spelling of a few of these names I'm sure).<br /><br />I don't argue gay men are feminine inherently, I only argue that they prefer small feminine men most of the time. It only seems this way because their sexual opions are limited to men who like men, and this usually turns out to be feminine men. <br /><br />A large buff gay man is the ideal from a gay male perspective...it's just rare to occur<br /><br />Similar to how a femmie lesbian is super rare, so lesbians tend to pair up with very masculine looking partners. This doesn't necessarily mean lesbians prefer masculine women, it only means that most lesbians are very masculine, and hyperfeminine lesbians are extremely rare outside of straight male porn (as testosterone excess prenatally usually translates postnatally, so most strict lesbians look more or less like men).<br /><br />Similarly if a fat unattractive woman pairs up with a fat unattractive man, it doesn't mean she prefers him to brad pitt, it only means she can't do better.<br /><br /><b>"Did I not SAY that men are attracted to such females? Yes, I did? Can you read?<br /><br />However, she is not flat-chested with sticks for legs; she does not have unarched brows and thin lips nor is her hip to waist ratio 1:1. These are the characteristics of the physically immature girl."</b><br /><br />Men exhibit a preference for 15 year olds even if the body is hidden from view.<br /><br />An estrogen mediated body shape is a prerequisite for male attraction, but it is the youthfulness of the face and markers of extreme youth (like coyness and naivete and blonde hair that many older women fake) that determines the extent of his attraction; men prefer signs of extreme youth, this is true INDEPENDENT of boobs/butt/waist being equal. Needs to be explained better than all of the squirming here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com