tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post3493454987076943948..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Recent cognitive evolution in Europe: a new study of ancient DNAPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-64196533566850753332022-06-30T14:01:45.623-04:002022-06-30T14:01:45.623-04:00Interesting how Japan and other far east countries...Interesting how Japan and other far east countries have so many incels and not a noticiable increase of crime by males. Meanwhile, subsaharian africa still has a higher fertility rates but crime rates there is often high. Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-59072894035126906192022-06-19T07:48:51.463-04:002022-06-19T07:48:51.463-04:00reply to Yeong
the main problem with hypergamy is...reply to Yeong<br /><br />the main problem with hypergamy is the majority of women and orbiting and reproducing with a small selection (like 10%) of the men. <br />You get a huge number of forceful celibates, with no prospects of marrying.<br />This pushes society to become more violente on a side, males less productive (why works so much if you don't leave anything to any descendant?).<br /><br />The males in excess can be exploited as warriors in wars, but this depleted the good candidates to reproduction and leave the worse back home.<br /><br />painlord2k@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04566115851088917514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-17512123270846966072022-06-14T20:12:59.338-04:002022-06-14T20:12:59.338-04:00It's unlikely as i said and the biggest proble...It's unlikely as i said and the biggest problem are the heterossexual smartest population who don't procreate or have too few children, mostly because is too expensive.<br /><br />Roman empire fall by the same way all Empires did: megalomaniacal greed. Roman empire wasn't capitalist formally speaking but there were social inequalities, exploitation of the working classes and materialistic lifestyle among the "elites". <br /><br />Cristianism has been a huge problem to the real cultural, scientific/philosophical and social progress in Europe and then in extended "western world" no matter how beautiful its churches can be, it's a frivolous aesthetics. <br /><br />But do you really think all priests and nuns were or are very obedient??? <br /><br />The "aesthetic" of christianity or any other "religion" is based on the denial of the reality of singularity and finitude of life...<br />Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72916292155642875162022-06-13T19:07:36.432-04:002022-06-13T19:07:36.432-04:00both santocool and peter frost missing the point I...both santocool and peter frost missing the point I tried to make, imho.<br />of course, the majority of gays are dumb as the average population :))<br />but if the smart percentage of gays represents 10-20 % of the smartest male YOUNGSTERS (i.e. those who should procreate with the smartest 'elite' girls of their society in order to maintain/elevate the IQ of their class and thus the entire population), then we will experience a slow but steady decline in IQ. remember, roman empire was expanding till it adopted the thouroughly pro-gay culture of decadent hellenism (in the words of roman ruling senators) at the end of the republic - still expanding/conquering and exploting till the long crisis in mid 2nd century a.d. - only then stagnating and declining.<br />the gay-effect took its time to mature - about 2-300 years (mere 10 generations).<br />gay young upper classers did not marry or marry late, not because marriage was expansive, but simply because they were not that interested as hetero young males. if they were forced to do, the most likely outcome would be that their wives had their children from intercourse with their slave-lovers or gladiators (famous sportsmen of their time) - mentioned in almost all biographies of imperial families (by suetonius, eg.)<br />...<br />one can blame capitalism for many things, but certainly not for the downfall of the roman empire! :))<br />what especially in the case of the roman empire never should be forgotten, is the cultural impact of christianity: on the one hand brutally homophobic and anti-gay (deadly sin for all believers), on the other providing with the propagation of a monastic, ascetic, asexual lifestyle in monasteries an outlet for all who wanted to escape from the burden of hetero family raising/lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-856639598647508062022-06-13T09:52:35.036-04:002022-06-13T09:52:35.036-04:00Santocool,
I wasn't being sarcastic. Sometime...Santocool,<br /><br />I wasn't being sarcastic. Sometimes I really have trouble understanding your argument. Sorry.<br /><br />Anon<br /><br />Exclusive homosexuality was rare in the ancient world. Once a man had children by his wife, he had performed his duties to his ancestors and could engage in recreational sex of any sort. <br /><br />The low or negative rate of natural increase during Greco-Roman Antiquity seems to have had several causes: <br /><br />- a high rate of mortality, especially in urban environments<br />- a low rate of marriage, possibly because of the costs<br />- an erosion of traditional supports for marriage and family formation<br />- increasing reliance on foreign slaves, foreign mercenaries, etc., all of which provided an immediate solution to the problems of demographic decline within the native populationPeter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-80667601154142311932022-06-13T08:53:43.683-04:002022-06-13T08:53:43.683-04:00''what we should not dismiss in that pictu...''what we should not dismiss in that picture of decreasing IQ in late antiquity is the impact of socially tolerated or even promoted homosexuality - especially amongst the upper (slaveholder) class. if more intelligent men live their life according to gay standards, they cut themselves off from the gene-pool. whilst women turn either also to lesbianism or chose les intelligent males from the lower strata (s. the reported faible of roman patrician women for gladiators:)) - or both sexes turn to kind of celitaire lifestyles - growth of monastery lifestyles in late roman empire.<br />parallels with recent societies are striking.''<br /><br /><br />There is no real eugenics, in its most ideal sense, than eliminating sociopaths and psychopaths, who are most responsible for human problems.<br /><br />In fact, apart from that, eliminating predispositions for serious illnesses and raising the RATIONALITY level of the population would be enough.<br /><br />As for your hypothesis.<br /><br />Are you conclusively concluding that there is a significant disproportion of LGBTs among the most ''intelligent''??<br /><br />Why do you think people in developed countries and even underdeveloped countries, the most educated, are having fewer children?<br /><br />Is it because a minority of the population adopts certain behaviors??<br /><br />No, there are two factors and they are totally linked to capitalism:<br /><br />-Increase in the cost of living, especially in urban centers, mainly caused by the gentrification of the most central areas of cities;<br /><br />-Materialism: even people with a good standard of living tend to prefer the senseless accumulation of an exaggerated amount of material goods [which will further pollute the environment].<br /><br />This further influences women to avoid relationships with men that they consider to be of ''lower value''.<br /><br />Yes, there appears to be a disproportion of highly ''smart'' LGBTs, but it is unlikely that they are more than 10 or 20% of the ''smartest'' population.<br /><br />You wanted to establish a causal relationship where there is a coincidence.<br /><br />When a civilization, if otherwise more conservative, becomes more liberal, because of the very instability of great empires, it has tended from one extreme to the other.<br /><br />But in the case of antiquity, at least in Ancient Greece, partial tolerance of homosexual recreational practices, associated with extreme amisogyny, especially in Athens, does not seem to be the case.<br /><br />Furthermore, speaking of parallel coincidences or correlations, and intersectional correlations, this relationship between homosexuality and classical Greece is interesting, especially in its more developed city-state.Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-86313316215981850242022-06-13T08:41:40.069-04:002022-06-13T08:41:40.069-04:00Social Darwinism is the equivalent of economic lib...Social Darwinism is the equivalent of economic liberalism. In fact, one tends to cause the other. It is the minimized presence of the state to moderate socio-economic and cultural relations.<br /><br />Eugenics is equivalent to socialism or a greater state presence, which would be needed to ''guide'' a population towards its designs.<br /><br />Oh, sorry. I deduced the rising sarcasm from some of your replies to my comments.<br /><br />Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-33569844901685341722022-06-11T11:48:11.639-04:002022-06-11T11:48:11.639-04:00what we should not dismiss in that picture of decr...what we should not dismiss in that picture of decreasing IQ in late antiquity is the impact of socially tolerated or even promoted homosexuality - especially amongst the upper (slaveholder) class. if more intelligent men live their life according to gay standards, they cut themselves off from the gene-pool. whilst women turn either also to lesbianism or chose les intelligent males from the lower strata (s. the reported faible of roman patrician women for gladiators:)) - or both sexes turn to kind of celitaire lifestyles - growth of monastery lifestyles in late roman empire.<br />parallels with recent societies are striking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-64706971368702164672022-06-10T10:26:37.032-04:002022-06-10T10:26:37.032-04:00Hi Santocool,
I was confused by your mathematical...Hi Santocool,<br /><br />I was confused by your mathematical sign "=/=". The slash across the equal sign seems to mean "does not equal." But that might not be what you mean.<br /><br />Irina's been losing weight. She looks great now.Peter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-85583519776367604812022-06-09T21:35:38.085-04:002022-06-09T21:35:38.085-04:00Not sure you know what eugenics is. Maybe your fat...Not sure you know what eugenics is. Maybe your fat wife knows. Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-3869394099102147582022-06-09T19:37:53.642-04:002022-06-09T19:37:53.642-04:00Sean,
Please elaborate.
Santocool,
Not sure I u...Sean,<br /><br />Please elaborate.<br /><br />Santocool,<br /><br />Not sure I understand your mathematical notation.<br /><br />Yeong,<br /><br />Female hypergamy has a neutral impact on cognitive evolution in a situation where natural increase is the same for all social classes. Cognitive evolution is hindered, however, in a situation where the the higher social class has a higher rate of natural increase, as was the case in England between the 11th and 19th centuries (see Gregory Clark) and in China for most of its history (see Ron Unz). In that situation, female hypergamy will slow down or stop cognitive evolution.<br /><br />In other words, female hypergamy tends to blur the cognitive difference between higher and lower classes. Although there is still demographic replacement of the lower class by the higher class, the evolutionary consequence is less significant. Overall, there is less change in mean IQ with each generation.Peter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-63531191741007665762022-06-08T15:05:47.331-04:002022-06-08T15:05:47.331-04:00Why is female hypergamy in itself bad? If lower st...Why is female hypergamy in itself bad? If lower status women have children with upper status men instead of men of their own class, isn't that eugenic? (Unless those couples have correspondingly more children than upper status women-upper status men couples)Yeongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-71884041144647136212022-06-08T07:45:00.989-04:002022-06-08T07:45:00.989-04:00Eugenics=/=social Darwinism
Eugenics=/=social Darwinism<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Santocoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-30791460452778306012022-06-07T15:50:46.179-04:002022-06-07T15:50:46.179-04:00Athens?Athens?Seannoreply@blogger.com