tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post4110833667486445703..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: The fellowship instinctPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-74830657108114963422015-11-16T05:41:00.650-05:002015-11-16T05:41:00.650-05:00'' disagree with your analogy. Society is ...'' disagree with your analogy. Society is not simply an external constraint on our biological self. Our biological self requires society to survive, and not simply because society provides us with the wherewithal of existence (food, water, shelter). Society provides visual, verbal, and other inputs that are no less essential. Religion supplies many of these inputs, and without them we will "starve" in a very real sense.''<br /><br /><br />I talked about religion and not society. Society seems to be indispensable for social creatures. Religion appears as addendum, nailling the coffin. But complex cultures or better massified cultures become dangerous for humans because instead of promoting and select self-care ability, promotes / selects docility.<br /><br />And i'm not said that ''society is just'', ''is like'' is not the same than ''is just''.<br /><br />Human cultures/religions ''become' straight jacket (if not always was like that).<br /><br />''Society is not simply an external constraint on our biological self. Our biological self requires society to survive''<br /><br />External constraint don't correlates with survive in social contexts* Seems both to be very complementary. <br /><br /><br />'' Our biological self requires society to survive''<br /><br /><br />Our self, we are all the same** <br /><br />Human societies are heritage come from primates. Neoteny seems increase the social dependence or vulnerability that already exist among primates and other social species because greater period of brain mature. The idea of nurture is very chrystalized among humans exactly because long time of nurture (care, in better words) that parents provide to their progeny.<br /><br /><br />''Society provides visual, verbal, and other inputs that are no less essential. Religion supplies many of these inputs, and without them we will "starve" in a very real sense''<br /><br />Yes i know. I don't said the otherwise.<br /><br />Of course, human babies are very likely to die alone in the forest. <br /><br />Self awareness and individuality sense, caused by individual phenotypical (mindset) diversification create the very necessity to relate/connect us with other and specially in terms of love. And people who are very realist about this existencial stuff like me feel great necessity to find love in other people. Humans in general looking like emotionally needy. <br /><br />Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-1018876247159113532015-11-15T23:04:25.138-05:002015-11-15T23:04:25.138-05:00Even the irreligious recognize that there is such ...Even the irreligious recognize that there is such a thing as a "religious experience", which is more than just an intellectual assent to certain beliefs. We should therefore accept that there is a specific religious attitude, but what else? Some things influencing a person's religious outlook would be the tendency to accept authority, or peer pressure, or a need for community cohesion. Note that one's authority figures or peers could be either religious or irreligious. This explains the phenomenon that religiosity tends to vary over periods of generations, but much faster than can be explained by genetic change. Thus, religion was at a low point in Western Europe in the 18th century, but towards the end of that century there began a series of religious revivals in both the Protestant and Roman Catholic worlds which has petered out only in the last 50 years. Added to this is the frequent comment that many secular political movements possess characteristics of religion, such as providing a meaning for life and a higher cause to devote oneself to. What about openness, or attraction to, ideas outside of the community paradigm? Is openness to belief in UFOs similar to openness to belief in a new, or foreign, religion? The aspects of personality which could possible go into "religiosity" are innumerable.Malcolm Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672612354161787023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-69205895379904195392015-11-15T11:42:21.237-05:002015-11-15T11:42:21.237-05:00I disagree with your analogy. Society is not simpl...I disagree with your analogy. Society is not simply an external constraint on our biological self. Our biological self requires society to survive, and not simply because society provides us with the wherewithal of existence (food, water, shelter). Society provides visual, verbal, and other inputs that are no less essential. Religion supplies many of these inputs, and without them we will "starve" in a very real sense.Peter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32056381980767378642015-11-14T18:06:08.117-05:002015-11-14T18:06:08.117-05:00We inherit a set of long term behavioral probabili...We inherit a set of long term behavioral probabilities (which are relatively homogeneous one each other, specially, seems, for non-neurotic people). None born ''religious'' because alegorical religions are not like feelings or thinking styles, religions are essentially social constructions (indeed). Most of human beings born with natural disposition to use/engage sofisticated/alegorical anthropomorphism as addendum or even a main piece for their lifestyle.<br /><br />Religion (social) is like a clothing in the (biological) body. Their origins happen firstly because ''rudimentar'' observations about phenomenology (and the birth of very logical idea of God) and collectivistic ''modern'' religions as christianism and islamism are political tools used by ''elites'' to legitimates their exploitation and hierarchy and to domesticate people.Santocultonoreply@blogger.com