tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post4206837936148834586..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Were there Neanderthals in Africa?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15628755856590675182016-07-05T10:37:11.846-04:002016-07-05T10:37:11.846-04:00What nearly all articles fail to reference before ...What nearly all articles fail to reference before they relay their perplexing evidence of migration and counter migration, is the obvious dependency on thick forest. As far as I read neanderthals hunted larger game and fish but lived in forest and retreated away from the spreading tundra. When you look at archaic forest locations you will see a clear path of neanderthal territory. There are in fact red heads with stout bodies still in nigeria. Wargi and inside igbo. Face prominence wide rib cage and large nasal opening as well as cox2 mutations are all found readily in Igbo. You should see the length of my father's arms and hand and foot size. Our entire family has outsized brains ans EEG readings of fast brains. These are not cold adaptations, these are large game adaptations. Which ribcage would you prefer against a rhino or elephant? The assumption that these genes are sparse is because they have not sampled the families that are of priest class in those tribes. To become king you must marry the queen who inherits to her daughter. This is an archaic clan type. This means search should be done of matralineal clans and those with red hair in west africa. I think we shall find a large group up and over the 20% of genome of neanderthals. Because there was less war and plague in the histories in west africa. The last of the north african super forest is there, so to must be the forest people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16272929337607129286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47802492805725275912016-03-09T12:47:53.497-05:002016-03-09T12:47:53.497-05:00I don't know about Sapiens co-living with anot...I don't know about Sapiens co-living with another species in Africa. I only know about tua co-living between Sapiens nas Neanderthals in Eurasia.MUNDO DA LUAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17934729745714995118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-56431539663666087002016-03-09T12:47:42.914-05:002016-03-09T12:47:42.914-05:00I don't know about Sapiens co-living with anot...I don't know about Sapiens co-living with another species in Africa. I only know about tua co-living between Sapiens nas Neanderthals in Eurasia.MUNDO DA LUAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17934729745714995118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44539333990106699092015-07-09T14:28:10.966-04:002015-07-09T14:28:10.966-04:00I think there are two possibilities far more likel...I think there are two possibilities far more likely than a "Neanderthal-like African."<br />The first- there was more neanderthal in the first back-migration into Africa, which brought y hap ED and the oldest forms of y hap E. Later populations who brought J and I diminished the neanderthal content, but Nigeria escaped that influx.<br />The second- Ibero-Maurusians were definitely highly neanderthal. They came from the last neanderthals on Gibralter across the straight, and were later assimilated or pushed down into Nigeria by the Capsians.<br />Joe Lyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07853388386082915414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-33327458906820014202012-02-27T17:13:35.038-05:002012-02-27T17:13:35.038-05:00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-210...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2107271/Not-guilty-We-did-kill-Neanderthals--ice-age-wiped-say-scientists.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-7398239320833015512012-02-25T00:13:33.410-05:002012-02-25T00:13:33.410-05:00***Even Cavalli-Sforza didn't begin to cite it...***Even Cavalli-Sforza didn't begin to cite it until the 1990s (apparently in response to pressure from his academic milieu).***<br /><br />Yes, I recall your excellent series of posts discussing the "evolution of Cavalli-Sforza" :)Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-73075192397665646912012-02-24T14:58:48.270-05:002012-02-24T14:58:48.270-05:00Kiwiguy,
Lewontin's study is more popular amo...Kiwiguy,<br /><br />Lewontin's study is more popular among social anthropologists than among physical anthropologists. Even Cavalli-Sforza didn't begin to cite it until the 1990s (apparently in response to pressure from his academic milieu).<br /><br />Ben,<br /><br />No, not if by "selectively" you mean "through natural selection." We see this archaic admixture at gene loci that are close to selective neutrality, i.e., they seem to sit on the chromosome and do nothing.<br /><br />On theoretical grounds, I would expect to see more archaic admixture in sub-Saharan Africans than in other humans. There are two reasons:<br /><br />1. Archaics were physically and behaviorally more similar to modern humans in Africa, so there should have been fewer barriers to intermixture.<br /><br />2. Contact between modern humans and archaics went on for a longer time in Africa than elsewhere. In Europe, the transition lasted about 15,000 years. In Africa, it was more like 40,000 years.Peter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-36340157058895986032012-02-23T12:04:21.863-05:002012-02-23T12:04:21.863-05:00R. Dawkins and others apparently believe that Chim...R. Dawkins and others apparently believe that Chimps are basically some old Autralopithecus forms that choose to go back in the trees. So it would be interesting to compare the genome of the two, i am curious to know if the chimps 'lost' some australopithecus genes in the process.<br /><br />By analogy, is it possible that all homo sapiens had originally the same amount of archaic DNA (from different archaics), but those who stayed in Africa selectively lost some archaic DNA while those who migrated lost other archaic DNA?Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-34040466216933767892012-02-21T01:56:07.303-05:002012-02-21T01:56:07.303-05:00OT. Peter, I thought you'd find this discussio...OT. Peter, I thought you'd find this discussion thread on <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/02/non-overlapping-magisteria-for-the-social-and-biological/" rel="nofollow">GNXP</a> of interest. <br /><br />It started with Razib asking that social scientists stop citing Lewontin's Fallacy, and later an anthropologist blogger Jason Antrosio asked readers to consider the 2009 issue of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology titled “Race Reconciled: How Biological Anthropologists View Human Variation. Razib has subsequently provided a link to view the papers referred to.Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72221791882086099602012-02-20T19:38:25.434-05:002012-02-20T19:38:25.434-05:00Insightful,
Paabo simply assumed that sub-Saharan...Insightful,<br /><br />Paabo simply assumed that sub-Saharan Africans had no Neanderthal admixture. He used their genome as a benchmark for zero archaic admixture.<br /><br />A theoretical model is only as good as the assumptions built into it.Peter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-30407368410045132922012-02-19T19:22:37.638-05:002012-02-19T19:22:37.638-05:00In 2010, Svante Paabo told us of the Neanderthal a...In 2010, Svante Paabo told us of the Neanderthal admixture in Eurasians. He also did tests on Yoruba and Khoisan (san bushmen) in Africa and determined they had none. Now, we hear that the Yoruba have more neanderthal admixture than an East African population called the Luhya. My question is what was done in 2012 to now yield Yoruban neanderthal admixture that escaped Svante in 2010?Insightfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00246488050173369103noreply@blogger.com