tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post5639351256064730272..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: A nice place to raise your kidsPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-30082200873994227522014-09-26T12:02:33.301-04:002014-09-26T12:02:33.301-04:00n this case it is both because the in-group *ignor...n this case it is both because the in-group *ignoring* the problem is felt as abuse also.<br />In terms of the (unknown but probably large) numbers of murders I'd say the first is worst but in terms of the (unknown but definitely large) numbers of later suicides I'd say the second is probably worst - as being so totally abandoned by your own in-group seems to have deep impact.<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughtful reply.<br /><br />The previous post was informative and insightful as well.<br /><br />From the victim’s vantage, in-group abuse has to be much worse because you are left all alone. If it is at the hands of an out-group at least you have the rationalization that you were likely victimized partly because of different group status. As you mentioned, the realization that one is a victim of neglect by one’s own group would seem to be even crueler.<br /><br />I question the strength of the group loyalty felt by these girls. It couldn’t have been very strong or they would never have entertained the companionship of these Pakistani boys. I doubt that it would occur to many of them that they had been abandoned by their group. This would seem to be the main problem here. We have atomized individuals with little or no group identification being preyed upon by members of groups with very strong identification.<br /><br />I don’t wish to blame the girls. They are not responsible for the dissipation of their group, nor are they responsible for the failures of the political system that was supposed to be standing in for their group.<br /><br />We are in a hell of a mess. Gene-culture coevolution has led us to a dead-end. Of course let’s give a big shout-out to HBD.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-14696438744149198682014-09-22T14:56:50.744-04:002014-09-22T14:56:50.744-04:00"From the victim' point of view,is it bet..."From the victim' point of view,is it better to be abused by an out group rather than by one's own group?"<br /><br />In this case it is both because the in-group *ignoring* the problem is felt as abuse also.<br /><br />In terms of the (unknown but probably large) numbers of murders I'd say the first is worst but in terms of the (unknown but definitely large) numbers of later suicides I'd say the second is probably worst - as being so totally abandoned by your own in-group seems to have deep impact.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-26889636176358010512014-09-22T14:51:29.834-04:002014-09-22T14:51:29.834-04:00"I was thinking about the structure of the ga..."I was thinking about the structure of the gangs...how did the gangs function? I'm guessing that there was a core, brothers, cousins, a small business."<br /><br />It started as a kin group activity where the younger better looking boys would be sent out to target very young girls - 12 to 13 is best because once they're hooked they'll take more abuse - and then once hooked they'd be brought back to be raped by the boy's uncles and cousins as a kind of family treat.<br /><br />This had been going on for decades but on a much smaller scale.<br /><br />The scale of it exploded with mass immigration under Tony Blair as that created a huge demand for cheap prostitution. At that point local businessmen turned it into an industry.<br /><br />For example, one critical aspect of this is getting the taxi contract for transporting girls from children's homes to and from school as that provides a point of first contact.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-51602315104965625032014-09-22T14:42:26.319-04:002014-09-22T14:42:26.319-04:00Also, it's not just Rotherham. All the old tex...Also, it's not just Rotherham. All the old textile towns are exactly the same as they all imported people from the rural parts of Pakistan to undercut wages in the textile mills (before they all closed down anyway).<br /><br />There's maybe 30-40 places where it's as bad as Rotherham and many more where it's the same but on a smaller scale.<br /><br />And that's just the grooming gangs.<br /><br />There's a similar but less organized version related to the inner-city gang culture forcing all the young girls in their area to have sex with them and the disorganized version in towns where simply very large numbers of young male asylum seekers from various countries were dumped.<br /><br />The scale of sexual violence inflicted on the urban working class population in the UK over the last sixteen years is mind-boggling - scores of thousands of victims and all of it completely hidden from the rest of the population.<br /><br />It's a large part of the reason why millions of the native population have been fleeing the cities - mass ethnic cleansing all done by stealth because the people who could report it, won't report it because of "ant-racism".<br /><br />The banality of evil.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-45214571817546088342014-09-12T08:07:09.340-04:002014-09-12T08:07:09.340-04:00Sean said...
But if it is done by one's own gr...Sean said...<br />But if it is done by one's own group in pursuit of that group's ideology one might well not think it abuse.<br /><br />Yes, I see the connection now. It would seem that the discussion on female genital mutilation would be better placed in Peter’s previous post.<br /><br />What I want to concentrate upon is the Rotherdam particulars; lower class British girls being placed into sex slavery by Pakistani boys.<br />Is this better or worse than being placed into sexual slavery by British boys from their own group? (From the victim’s point of view.)<br />Did these Pakistani boys pimp any Pakistani girls? Are these boys doing this with a clear conscience? That is, do they think that since these girls are in an out-group then their normal moral rules don’t apply? <br /><br />Referring to Peter’s older posts on Slavs to Slaves, it seems circumstances have really flipped out. In the 8th through 12th centuries a lot of money was made selling white girls into sex slavery in the Muslim world. Today, the Muslims come here, pick their own slaves, and then make all the money.<br /><br />Whoever spent all that time coloring the national IQ maps needs to take another look.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47851535303260258562014-09-12T05:01:06.717-04:002014-09-12T05:01:06.717-04:00Ideology is key. Ideology drives language and beha...Ideology is key. Ideology drives language and behaviour. Morality is a way of explaining ideology and religion is a way of advertising ideology. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-27597587202719211932014-09-11T14:54:44.171-04:002014-09-11T14:54:44.171-04:00But if it is done by one's own group in pursui...But if it is done by one's own <i>group</i> in pursuit of that group's ideology one might well not think it abuse. Female genital mutilation for example. It is only from outside the ideology that we can see within the group abuse for what it is. As I think Peter was saying, the group's ideology trumps all else.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-83771188487346509072014-09-11T09:30:13.395-04:002014-09-11T09:30:13.395-04:00Sean
If there are no differences between the grou...Sean<br /><br />If there are no differences between the groups it can't matter either way.<br /><br />Thanks for your reply. Please try again. I am not following you. Of course there are differences; that's how you tell groups apart. <br /><br />To answer my own question; I think it would be much worse to be abused by one's own group rather than an out-group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-31475810583918858512014-09-11T05:24:04.259-04:002014-09-11T05:24:04.259-04:00Sean
I'm not disagreeing with you, I just thi...Sean<br /><br />I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think we don't know for certain exactly what is the social structure of these gang networks. You know, the way football hoologansim and riot behaviour, have been picked over by sociologists trying to figure out how they are organised, like trying to understand a flock of birds. The relatives visiting the MP could still be part of a 'layer' within pakistani culture. We won't know for certain until someone does the research. Hopefully Chick's e-book will inspire a new generation of bio-anthropologists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-59118565346047993762014-09-10T15:20:06.179-04:002014-09-10T15:20:06.179-04:00"From the victim' point of view,is it bet..."From the victim' point of view,is it better to be abused by an out group rather than by one's own group?"<br /><br />If there are no differences between the groups it can't matter either way. And there are people who who think that white society conspires to conceal crimes by whites against other groups. So are there horrible crimes (like genital mutilation) being committed by white men against Pakistani girls?<br />-----------------<br /><br />"Now that 'communities' exist, it is inevitable that each will have a criminal layer."<br /><br />The majority of the sexual abuse was not by the gangs themselves it was by men from the wider community of the gang. Moreover, the gangs were not disowned, local politicians came under a lot of pressure.<br /> <br />The current MP for Rotherham:- "I've also had [Muslim] family members come to my [parliamentary] surgery asking me to make representations on behalf of brothers who have been found guilty of child sex abuse. When I refuse, I frequently receive a tirade of abuse. “These girls are prostitutes,” one man shouted at me, and warned that I would pay a heavy price for not supporting him. He’d get thousands of people not to vote for me. (Rotherham is not an isolated incident}<br /><br />What we have here is not a criminal underclass separate from the community. The community is a single interest group whose size gives it power to influence local media, government and policing into nauseating misogyny and complicity. They are an alien wedge.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-14809748129017781222014-09-08T19:09:23.683-04:002014-09-08T19:09:23.683-04:00From the victim' point of view,is it better to...From the victim' point of view,is it better to be abused by an out group rather than by one's own group?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72800436553636350142014-09-07T07:31:14.923-04:002014-09-07T07:31:14.923-04:00http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/roth...http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-81830557276584636742014-09-06T23:58:14.356-04:002014-09-06T23:58:14.356-04:00It appears to resemble brood parasitism, an extend...<b>It appears to resemble brood parasitism, an extended phenotype, utilizing memetic engineering, in that it ultimately reduces the reproductive success of the host.</b><br /><br />Yes, but it cannot reduce the reproductive success below replacement.Beyond Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-41460469793157778832014-09-06T22:37:56.340-04:002014-09-06T22:37:56.340-04:00It appears to resemble brood parasitism, an extend...It appears to resemble brood parasitism, an extended phenotype, utilizing memetic engineering, in that it ultimately reduces the reproductive success of the host.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-22532620982187091972014-09-06T22:31:43.839-04:002014-09-06T22:31:43.839-04:00Of course, if these horrible crimes had been commi...Of course, if these horrible crimes had been committed by white men against Pakistani girls, the liberals would be arguing that this was proof that all white men are evil. Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-83652161895645772912014-09-06T14:34:54.548-04:002014-09-06T14:34:54.548-04:00I was thinking about the structure of the gangs. S...I was thinking about the structure of the gangs. Seriously, these gangs were/are an efficient criminal business model. I can agree with liberals in the sense that we should be looking at this as a criminal issue. Now that 'communities' exist, it is inevitable that each will have a criminal layer. Different communities specialise in different types of crime. Ignore the sexual aspect, this is violent crime. Anyway, how did the gangs function? I'm guessing that there was a core, brothers, cousins, a small business. Men of other ethnicities involved, who are they? Maybe lone under-achievers on the margins of the Pakistani community? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com