tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post5709173186952383920..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: White skin privilegePeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-81896029991236880452021-11-15T19:52:25.725-05:002021-11-15T19:52:25.725-05:00I like how none of the last few comments on this b...I like how none of the last few comments on this bothered to cite anything. I'd really love to hear any references on the idea Muhammed promised to make his followers white when they died.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-83740748533334589572019-01-22T14:39:23.979-05:002019-01-22T14:39:23.979-05:00and for the writer sorry but your recourse are so ...and for the writer sorry but your recourse are so WEAK they are 50y and westernAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-19099245768641118252019-01-22T14:36:47.304-05:002019-01-22T14:36:47.304-05:00honestly this is all wrong and misunderstanding ar...honestly this is all wrong and misunderstanding arabs they a light skin white and what english calls white is called red in arabic arabs never called romans white nor they ever wrote poems about blonde hair it is just fact you all clearly have low infos about arabs that's why you took infos from english books not arabicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-54589925263491336662017-04-22T07:23:04.451-04:002017-04-22T07:23:04.451-04:00If you'd read a lot of the early Muslim source...If you'd read a lot of the early Muslim sources, you'd know that pale and ruddy were the two attractive colors for men, too. In fact, Muhammad promises as a reward for his male followers that they'll all get to be white in paradise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-49108349633748101362017-04-22T07:20:03.976-04:002017-04-22T07:20:03.976-04:00The Greeks and Romans were mad for pale female sla...The Greeks and Romans were mad for pale female slaves with blonde hair. They were not bought primarily for sexual purposes--unlike among the Arabs. It was actually the WOMEN who wanted their personal slave girls to be pale and blonde driving most of the demand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-84556742201555675142016-08-13T02:06:58.247-04:002016-08-13T02:06:58.247-04:00Hello! I could have sworn I’ve been to this site b...Hello! I could have sworn I’ve been to this site before but after reading through some of the post I realized it’s <br />new to me. Anyways, I’m definitely glad I found it and I’ll <br />be book-marking and checking back often!<br /><a href="http://cukupumur.biz" rel="nofollow">bokep pelajar</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05954485656512216592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-36235385059023835812014-10-08T18:49:05.972-04:002014-10-08T18:49:05.972-04:00Correct me if I'm wrong, but those references ...Correct me if I'm wrong, but those references on arab beauty ideals are only from 78-89. How are those applicable to standards that supposedly stretch back over 1,000 years?<br /><br />Also, circassians (and people from the caucasus in general) are not what most people, in the past and present, would consider "white" in a racial sense, and are of darker skin, hair and eyes, and of more middle eastern appearance than europeans. I also really like the satiating snark about "the privilege of white skin" next to a picture of two dark arab men examining a white slave girl. Great subtelty and class there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32186164830683409912014-05-12T18:35:48.940-04:002014-05-12T18:35:48.940-04:00Puerto Rican here....
I personally find Abyssinia...Puerto Rican here....<br /><br />I personally find Abyssinian women the most attractive.Then Indonesian and other asian types.then Castizo Latinas like the women from sinaloa,Jalisco,Chihuaha and north/central mexico in general.but also Castizo PRs and colombianas.<br /><br /><br />basically spanish but 1/4th native so still having some native feature wich makes them exotic and very sexy.no white woman I know has got antyhing on angie varona,Yovanna ventura,Neta alchamester,Reon Kadena,Yang mi,Qi Shu,Melanie Iglesias or any other cute indoensian girl.<br /><br />for one abyssinian girls tend to have classical beauty features,I.E the features you see on Greek Statues.they have weak brow bones and feminine shapes,they are petite and short,have curves,nice wavy hair.<br /><br />asian women are very cute,neotenous,paedomorphic,wich is attractive to men.youthfull features.especially indonesians.<br /><br />latinas same.white women OTOH can have very masculine features,even the ''pretty''ones.flat shapes and bodies,tall,angular jaws,and strong chins.alot of white VS models look like trannies.<br /><br />very rare will you find a blonde woman that looks like nimue smit or Romee Strijd.that cute,ethereal look(Alpines and Baltids have it though,sometimes).<br /><br />and think again that ''pure''black women can't be attractive.Fulani women are one of the most gorgeous in the world.senegalese women too.<br /><br />at the end of the day white,black,asian,latin..hot is hot.my dick reacts the same to a hot woman.<br /><br />http://aestheticguide.blogspot.com/2014/02/goat-black-pussy-compilationnsfw.html<br /><br /><br />http://aestheticguide.blogspot.com/2014/02/tribute-towest-african-beauty.html<br /><br />http://aestheticguide.blogspot.com/2014/04/white-women-arent-that-badwhite-men.html<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-1671541088119191932014-05-12T13:48:00.083-04:002014-05-12T13:48:00.083-04:00image is a broken link. Update to this?
http://up...image is a broken link. Update to this?<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Une_nouvelle_arriv%C3%A9e_by_Giulio_Rosati_3.jpgAaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-33979488184491652482014-04-08T00:49:00.854-04:002014-04-08T00:49:00.854-04:00I have not much time to visit many websites. But t...I have not much time to visit many websites. But today I found this site accidently. I explored much information which is useful to my life. Thanks! <a href="http://goo.gl/ltT9X" rel="nofollow">Taruhan Bola</a>Judi Onlinehttp://www.idebola.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-76929058992644517032013-12-31T10:57:28.184-05:002013-12-31T10:57:28.184-05:00Nevermind, I came across your other posts on slave...Nevermind, I came across your other posts on slavery of light skinned women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-50064297878818536852013-12-31T01:46:46.201-05:002013-12-31T01:46:46.201-05:00" This trade existed for two reasons. On the ..." This trade existed for two reasons. On the one hand, European states were too weak to stop it. On the other, European women were considered beautiful by people in geopolitically stronger states to the south and east. Again, this pattern is inconsistent with the belief that power relationships determine notions of beauty."<br /><br />Were women really that big of a factor? I imagine they were a significant one, but you seem to be simplifying this, and this also fails to consider the role of white men in the slave trade. Which I'm not familiar with, but I am familiar with, say, the Turkish janisarries and the subjugation of slavic men. And why hasn't this factored in with other darker skinned populations in relation to lighter ones?<br /><br />I also question how you present some of those quotes:<br /><br />"Their temperaments are therefore frigid, their humors raw, their bellies gross, their color pale, their hair long and lank"<br /><br />This arab seems to be disparaging whites on the basis of their skin color. How does that factor in with prizing white women? I'm also aware of a quote by an arab explorer (or something along those lines) who compared arabs to europeans and blacks and used an analogy of how long they were baked in an oven by god- whites too little, blacks too long (to the point of being burnt), but arabs just right.<br /><br />" Nonetheless, their women were considered strikingly attractive, even to the point of being simply called ‘beautiful girls.’ An 8th-century Arab musician wrote: “They used not to train beautiful slave girls to sing, but they used only to train yellow and black girls. The first to teach valuable girls to sing was my father” (Lewis, 1990, p. 56)."<br /><br />Is this referring to white women, or light skinned women in general?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-4463486928436232312013-07-17T17:54:28.699-04:002013-07-17T17:54:28.699-04:00I don't know what is meant by 'rude awaken...I don't know what is meant by 'rude awakening', but the default mode for most people is trying to be civil. Some places are more dangerous than others though, and in erring on the side of caution one can give offence. If someone passes very close or gives me a stare, I may flinch or break eye contact. A person's sex, age and demeanor are always the most relevant factors in assessing how cautious I need to be. <br /><br />Where I live race is a useful index, because another white man is vastly more likely to give me problems. Some people live where the opposite is true. In a northern California military town it may well be that being cautious (or relaxed) around unknown people of another race is redundant, but not everywhere is like that.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-76572038127639821152013-07-17T14:44:33.674-04:002013-07-17T14:44:33.674-04:00Anon,
@"white slavery" (In quotations b...Anon,<br /><br />@"white slavery" (In quotations because really its just slavery that has european victims)<br /><br />- European women were enslaved specifically because of their lighter skin.<br /><br />@it is about how one is treated in this nation built largely for white people<br /><br />- Yes, White folks have built a high-trust environment in North America that is conducive to the creation of wealth. They trust each other and work with each other, even when they're total strangers, to a degree that would be unthinkable in most human societies. And everyone benefits from that kind of society just by the mere fact of living in it. So the word "privilege" is apt.<br /><br />It's been shown, for example, that when Mexicans immigrate to the U.S., their productivity greatly increases. It's not because they're working harder. It's because the wealth they create is not wasted to the same degree. They're working in an environment where laws are respected and where fewer resources are gobbled up by graft and theft.<br /><br />Of course, all of that depends on maintaining a high-trust environment. That's not just something that comes with the territory.<br /><br />@Also I want to state that African ideals of skin color are different from European ideals of skin color.<br /><br />- In traditional societies, the ideal skin color for women tends to be the lightest one on the local color spectrum. The feminine ideal was thus 'white' in Europe and East Asia, 'golden' in South-East Asia, and 'red' in sub-Saharan Africa (as you note further on).Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-25541270866153376472013-07-17T13:21:52.111-04:002013-07-17T13:21:52.111-04:00Your stringing together "white slavery" ...Your stringing together "white slavery" (In quotations because really its just slavery that has european victims) and modern day racial privilege is tenuous at best.<br /><br /> So recognize that white skin privilege is not literally about white skin but rather a racial privilege for those who are (or are perceived) as being of European descent and ancestry. <br /><br />It is social status prescribed through features and socially normative behaviors. It also can vary for those outliers (I come from northern California and a very blended military town so people who are seen as white here get a rude awakening when they move south, to The South or back East haha) but over all it is about how one is treated in this nation built largely for white people.<br /><br />Also I want to state that African ideals of skin color are different from European ideals of skin color.<br /><br />Skin colors yellow/orange/red are associated with fertility and youth in many African Nations and Peoples. It moreso is the brightness and intensity of the undertone rather than the lightness of skin according to this:<br /><br />http://people.bridgewater.edu/~mtembo/menu/articles/AfricanBeautyRevisedMarch162010.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-88443007740910530842013-07-16T06:50:27.961-04:002013-07-16T06:50:27.961-04:00""Being sold as a sex slave is not equiv...""Being sold as a sex slave is not equivalent to winning a beauty contest"<br />No, but commanding relatively higher prices than other sex slaves does indicate that one is considered more attractive than the others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-66592288118104636422013-07-16T06:47:16.433-04:002013-07-16T06:47:16.433-04:00"In societies where lighter skinned people ru..."In societies where lighter skinned people rule over darker skinned people, there tends to be a lighter skinned privilege. Muslim societies are to varying degrees historically, culturally and genetically related to European societies, especially in the regions surrounding the Mediterranean Sea."<br /><br />Yes, but at the time, muslims (overall a relatively darker-skinned group of people) were dominant over relatively lighter Europeans, so the "power relation" theory's application here is ambiguous at best. Also, how much of this correlation between paleness and social status arose specifically due to the preference of men for pale women? It should be noted that the original muslim conquerors who brought the middle east under Islam were, in the main, very dark-skinned people from the Arabian peninsula.<br /><br />"Even Asian societies were connected by trade with the West for millennia. To test if this skin bias is a universal condition of all societies, you'd have to look at societies that are the most separate from Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia."<br />Yes, but were East Asian societies dominated by Europeans, until relatively recently? No. On the contrary, the Chinese thought of the pale Europeans as barbarians from the edge of the world, certainly not their equals or superiors. And yet most evidence indicates that in the Far East, paleness of skin was seen as beautiful in women. Many upper-class women used lead-based powders to make their skin appear paler, which some historians have speculated may have contributed to such phenomena as the decline of Japan's samurai class.<br /><br />"To test if this skin bias is a universal condition of all societies, you'd have to look at societies that are the most separate from Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia"<br /><br />Looking at only the preferences of people separated from Eurasia and Africa would effectively restrict such a study to a minority of the human population. And there's no reason to necessarily assume that innate preferences will be absolutely uniform across populations. It might be that these groups have no innate preference for pale skin, while peoples from the Eurasian landmass do.<br /><br />The question at hand is whether the association of white skin with beauty is an outgrowth of an age of European military, economic, and cultural dominance, which is clearly not the case. Societies that regarded Europeans as inherently inferior, nonetheless regarded features associated with Europeans, such as fair skin, as beautiful.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-56886350591166230222013-07-13T10:54:54.003-04:002013-07-13T10:54:54.003-04:00Sean,
Yes, Edwards and Duntley studied this chang...Sean,<br /><br />Yes, Edwards and Duntley studied this change in female skin color over the menstrual cycle. It seems to be visible enough on the buttocks. I know a graduate student who was looking into this subject. I'll write up a post if there's anything new. Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-19812062204405303852013-07-13T07:26:44.310-04:002013-07-13T07:26:44.310-04:00@Sean,
"Sexual selection can only work on on...@Sean,<br /><br /><i>"Sexual selection can only work on one sex; it does not follow that the most attractive females would be found in the race with the most attractive males"</i><br /><br />Human sexual selection is a process that operates through intrasexual competition and intersexual choice for reproduction in both sexes.With an equal sex ratio 1:1, males have higher reproductive variance, therefore is stronger the effects of sexual selection on males. If there was a female skewed sex ratio (after the arrival of modern humans in Europe, see Frost´s theory), women were the sex with highest reproductive variance, so they had a strong sexual selection typically that developed in sexually dimorphic traits more exaggerated, or more attractive in European females. But sexual selection simultaneously operates on both sexes.<br /><br /><i>""Being sold as a sex slave is not equivalent to winning a beauty contest"</i><br /><br />First, you can look at fashion models lists by country, ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria%27s_Secret_models, etc…)<br /><br />Second, regarding of female pornstars, 70.5% of them are Caucasians.( see John Millward research: http://jonmillward.com/blog/studies/deep-inside-a-study-of-10000-porn-stars/)<br /><br />Ukraine, Russia and Czech Republic are among the countries with the most number of Adult Models, centerfolds and pornstars (see http://www.freeones.com/countries/) and Czech, Hungarian and Slovak regarding to another list including only pornstars. (see http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/11/which-countries-produce-porn-stars.php)<br /><br />Anyway, if we want to assess physical attractiveness by country, is better to focus mainly on nude models and centerfolds, since fashion models and pornstars are more androgynous than those ones. Glamour and nude models have body shapes still more 'hourglass' than fashion models/pornstars and they probably do represent what most men find most attractive, i.d the maximally sexually attractive female waist to hip ratio. Russian and Eastern Europe are home to some of the world's most beautiful women, and they are recruited by most of glamour and nude modeling agencies. There are hundreds of nude modeling sites (MPL, metart, femjoy, hegre-art, etc) showcases attractive young models mainly from Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic.<br /><br />This pattern is the same in other jobs related to beauty business, as strippers and exotic dancers.Paragonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-80102786566687016792013-07-12T23:16:40.324-04:002013-07-12T23:16:40.324-04:00Also, can you mention more about South East Asians...<b>Also, can you mention more about South East Asians acquiring Chinese brides for their fair skin? This opens up an interesting comparison in my view.</b><br /><br />Most likely more Northern Chinese.<br /><br />Southern Chinese tend to be as darkly complected as Thais.Beyond Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-22291643751930797732013-07-12T15:17:56.492-04:002013-07-12T15:17:56.492-04:00Peter, lighter skin would make a change in blood c...Peter, lighter skin would make a change in blood circulation more obvious. Could ovulation be less concealed in Europeans due to lighter skin?Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-80095624432228619522013-07-12T15:02:01.959-04:002013-07-12T15:02:01.959-04:00Timur,
This trade existed during the Byzantine er...Timur,<br /><br />This trade existed during the Byzantine era, but most of it bypassed the Byzantine Empire, being mediated either by Jewish merchants based in Muslim Spain and Germany or by Khazars based in the Caucasus. At that time, it involved the purchase of men and women who had been taken prisoner during local wars. There was no slave raiding, at least not on a large scale.<br /><br />I believe the reference to Chinese brides in Thailand is (I'll check when I have more time):<br /><br />Jiemin, B.(2003). The Gendered Biopolitics of Marriage and Immigration: A Study of Pre-1949 Chinese Immigrants in Thailand,Journal of Southeast Asian Studies, 34, 127-151. Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-78046746765335767832013-07-12T14:48:13.315-04:002013-07-12T14:48:13.315-04:00Well Mark, the whiteness of European skin was eith...Well Mark, the <i>whiteness</i> of European skin was either an adaptation to increase vitamin D synthesis from the sun, or in some way due to sexual selection. The timing of the mutations for white skin is not compatible with vitamin D being involved, and the research on vitamin D and health confirms that. See <a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/just-for-show_1.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/just-for-show_1.html?showComment=1370375613162#c102302562520472314" rel="nofollow">here</a>. We don't know for a fact that European features are feminine features, but what we know about white skin makes it quite likely.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-8776731023046423832013-07-12T14:21:20.048-04:002013-07-12T14:21:20.048-04:00Marc,
I wasn't speaking only about face shape...Marc,<br /><br />I wasn't speaking only about face shape, for which (as you note) there are alternate explanations. I am saying that within a limited geographic area, centered on northern and eastern Europe, humans have developed a suite of highly visible characteristics that tend to be located on or near the face -- which is the focus of visual attention.<br /><br />For some of these characteristics, there is no alternate explanation. This is the case with the diversification of hair and eye color. This diversification has occurred at separate gene loci and is more pronounced in women than in men, suggesting a selection pressure that has acted primarily on women.<br /><br />In the case of the whitening of human skin, there are alternate explanations, either relaxation of natural selection for dark skin or positive natural selection for light skin (to maintain vitamin-D synthesis). Both explanations are difficult to reconcile with the fact that this whitening took place long after the arrival of modern humans in Europe and within a relative narrow time frame (11,000 to 19,000 years ago).<br /><br />With respect to face shape, there are alternate explanations. But how would these explanations explain the linkage between a more gracile face shape and blue eyes? It looks as though expression of these two different traits is facilitated by the same pre-natal surge of estrogen that feminizes the developing female body in so many other ways.<br /><br />The most common accusation I get is that I'm telling a "just so story." In more than one case, I've heard this from people who never bothered to read the papers in question. Please read before you condemn.Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-76712254762528806252013-07-12T13:49:56.831-04:002013-07-12T13:49:56.831-04:00Just out of curiosity, Peter but what was the role...Just out of curiosity, Peter but what was the role of the Byzantine Empire in this trade. I always figured that they were a major bulwark to this sort of trade in Eastern Europe. <br /><br />Also, can you mention more about South East Asians acquiring Chinese brides for their fair skin? This opens up an interesting comparison in my view. Timur, Destroyer of 5% of the world's populationnoreply@blogger.com