tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post5764381333429253909..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: When did Europeans become 'white'?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-75496608604408006422020-08-06T11:25:00.467-04:002020-08-06T11:25:00.467-04:00And there are "dark" skin, "ginger&...And there are "dark" skin, "ginger" people. The skin tone is not VERY dark, but certainly a light brown. <br /><br />Red hair alleles are in no way related to albinism or Neanderthal heritage. Blue eyes come from multiple sources, including WHG and CSP. <br /><br />There were numerous back migrations to Africa, which brought Neanderthal dna and multiple haplotypes as well as alleles for lightening, red hair, blue and green eyes, which can largely be seen in the North African population as it is only partially sub-Saharan in origin and mostly in the last 1300 years or so. Prior to that, going all the way back to the Neolithic at least, North Africa was largely populated by a light skinned people who developed into latter North African lineages from Mauritania to Libya, as well as settling the Canary Islands. <br /><br />You should ignore any crack pot theorists, serving up nonsense propaganda, from the Uthman Dan Folio Institute, Clyde Winters, Erhan Elhaik and various other heterodox faux academics pushing pre-designed narratives and dismissing actual findings in the fields involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-57176937861608057732020-08-06T11:18:35.908-04:002020-08-06T11:18:35.908-04:00This entire post and source material are unverifie...This entire post and source material are unverified, non peer reviewed and contradict all known academic work in this area. This is some clear Uthman dan Fodio Institute rubbish. Anyone and everyone related to that faux "institute" are crackpot theorists pushing agenda and propaganda narratives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-78827892006329159362020-08-06T11:14:55.038-04:002020-08-06T11:14:55.038-04:00"Your theory is wrong firstly evolution doesn..."Your theory is wrong firstly evolution doesn't take ten to twenty thousand years but millinia and also all these skeletons show clearly that black people were the first to inhabit Europe before the whites invaded Europe from Central Asia. Red hair and blue, green eyes are synonymus with albinism, end of story."<br /><br />You are ridiculous. And completely wrong. "Black" people did not inhabit Europe in any record. WHG were slightly darker toned than modern Europeans and they had blue eyes. That doesn't make them "black" or "sub-Saharan". We see direct lineage of living Europeans to WHG. There is no WHG related found in sub-Saharan Africa. Dark skin does not automatically mean sub-Saharan African. That is absurd. Southern Asians are not sub-Saharan and they certainly can have black skin.<br /><br />The alleles for skin lightening and hair lightening have no connection to albinism or Neanderthal heritage. The lightening alleles that exist developed outside of Africa. Skin darkening alleles developed within Africa, which is why latter sub-Saharan African populations can be far darker than older lineages such as the Khoisan. The Khoisan can not be considered "black" by any genetic measure. They defy racial classification and it's likely all humans stem from proto Khoi-San. <br /><br />Red hair alleles developed in the Levant and blond hair alleles developed in Asia, in at least 3 different locations. The WHG blue eyes are not found in Africa anywhere, but they are found in latter lineages in the Levant and North Africa. There were many obvious back migration to Africa throughout antiquity and prehistory. That is how V88 arrived in Africa and how North Africa became populated with skin and eye lightening alleles. Which again have no connection to albinism, which is a specific genetic deviation, separate from the usual lightening alleles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-4110296887059475902018-09-21T16:09:26.948-04:002018-09-21T16:09:26.948-04:00Your theory is wrong firstly evolution doesn't...Your theory is wrong firstly evolution doesn't take ten to twenty thousand years but millinia and also all these skeletons show clearly that black people were the first to inhabit Europe before the whites invaded Europe from Central Asia. Red hair and blue, green eyes are synonymus with albinism, end of story.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01405889231325831992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-81984307401984610752012-07-25T21:24:35.887-04:002012-07-25T21:24:35.887-04:00I am still trying to understand how an african peo...I am still trying to understand how an african people could become fairskinned; being of european extraction on all sides of my ancestors, I find your article somewhat helpful. I do know that we are very dependent on Vitamin D. But where did CroMagnon man come from? any explanation? were they "white"? and how did they become tall? So many questions, so little time. Thanks!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11229778326178318149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-48073105238160040042009-01-05T23:56:00.000-05:002009-01-05T23:56:00.000-05:00I enjoyed your article. However, my years of exper...I enjoyed your article. However, my years of experience with men in general (I am a 60-year old woman) and my knowledge of history, lead me to theorize a different process. <BR/> While gentlemen, and indeed all men, may prefer blondes, they seem to mate with women rather indiscriminately. The Mesolithic hunters were not likely monogamous. When they came back from the hunt bearing bacon, they may have used it to lure the more fair-skinned women. However, that would not likely have kept the darker-skinned women from mating with them, too, even if only for scraps, in the hope of fair treatment, or for the dark women's own sexual desires. Black and Native American women during the slavery years in the United States could be called to witness.<BR/> Now, it may be that the fair ladies received more of the food, putting their offspring at an unfair advantage for attaining reproductive age. Or it may be that the more fair-skinned offspring fared better in the gloomy Ice Age because their skin was able to make more Vitamin D. It even may be that fair skin provided protective coloration or a hunting advantage in a land of snow and ice. Or the genes for fair coloration may have been dragged along because they assist the genes for some other natural advantage. Any of those cases would be an example of natural selection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-9734484809459169042008-07-03T08:53:00.000-04:002008-07-03T08:53:00.000-04:00Re - "diversity..of hair colour..being most promi...Re - "diversity..of hair colour..being most prominent in a zone centred on the East Baltic" <BR/><BR/>I think your theory is the only explaination that makes sense so this is like carping, but I must demur if the quote means red or golden hair and the accompanying subtle skin tones are more common in the Baltic. Red hair is most common in the Scottish Borders.<BR/><BR/> The low regard in which it is held seems to have made Coon and co. uninterested in making maps on its occurrence, it exists nonetheless.<BR/>On golden hair I have more support to point out that it is not centred on the Baltic, Coon mentions it in the West of Ireland (Arran Isles especialy) where red hair is also common.<BR/>The population of the west coast of Ireland is beleived to be relatively Paleolithic (judging by their appearance and the Y chromosome data). Could red hair(with light skin) have been the first sexually selected change to non-whiteness. I beleive red hair is older than other hair coloursAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-4613961050133610492008-04-13T13:44:00.000-04:002008-04-13T13:44:00.000-04:00"The hair seems to be short and matted (Boule & Va..."The hair seems to be short and matted (Boule & Vallois, 1957, p. 311)"<BR/><BR/>I thought they are now believed to be wearing hats, as they show some other woven clothing on them too. The Venus of Willendorf, in a bobble hat. LOL.mathildahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682429587184048584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-76440872304320431942008-04-13T13:38:00.000-04:002008-04-13T13:38:00.000-04:00I've seen two ginger variants on MCR1 dated to abo...I've seen two ginger variants on MCR1 dated to about 30k and 80k. Is this wrong? I've stashed the article with the dates somwhere.<BR/><BR/>If it were correct, wouldn't being ginger have had some effect on skin tone? I've never seen a dark skinned ginger mixed race kid.mathildahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682429587184048584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-12800956991668765642007-10-04T08:20:00.000-04:002007-10-04T08:20:00.000-04:00Here is a speculative thought. This hypothesis may...Here is a speculative thought. This hypothesis may help explain the dark skins of the Tasmanians. They lived isolated in Tasmania without seacraft capable of traversing Bass Straight (between Tasmania and Australia). Tasmanian latitudes south are equivalent to the latitudes north of modern New York or Florence. In their island isolation they probably would not have had any opportunity to engage in the long distance game hunting of people on the northern steppes. Without this selective pressure they maintained their dark skins in a relatively high latitude environment contra the more common climatic / environmental adaptation explanation for light skin colours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-68477950757681645032007-09-26T14:04:00.000-04:002007-09-26T14:04:00.000-04:00The key factor in raising male mortality is not ga...The key factor in raising male mortality is not game hunting per se, but game hunting over very long distances, as in hunting of migratory herds over continental steppe-tundra. This environment did exist in Ice-age Asia but was much colder and drier, being closer to the Arctic Circle and further from the Atlantic Ocean. <BR/><BR/>In Europe, the Scandinavian icecap pushed the steppe-tundra zone much further south, thereby raising its bioproductivity and potential for human settlement.<BR/><BR/>In Asia, the steppe-tundra zone could not continuously sustain a substantial human population upon which sexual selection could operate. This was so throughout most of the ice age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44768069194154455662007-09-23T13:13:00.000-04:002007-09-23T13:13:00.000-04:00Dear Pr. Frost,the ancestors of mongoloid people w...Dear Pr. Frost,<BR/><BR/>the ancestors of mongoloid people were also game-hunters during the Ice Age, however they were not selected for light hair and eyes..?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com