tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post6595285742933506402..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Does Nyborg's study make sense?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15031207875640600702013-12-31T14:45:54.359-05:002013-12-31T14:45:54.359-05:00In Argentina the trade of women (includig white wo...In Argentina the trade of women (includig white women, for France for example) was legal until 1913. It means that there was laws that regulate this activity, like for example if a woman was viewed outside his "House" without permission the autorities had to bring her back.Gustavohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13556794591562154150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46470977926534085092013-12-11T08:13:34.758-05:002013-12-11T08:13:34.758-05:00Common Danes did not have choices as to keep your ...Common Danes did not have choices as to keep your country for yourself or give it to foreigners, because all moral science of multiculturalism is based on lies. They are being misled to believe that multiculturalism is a good thing.<br />People with average intelligence or slightly above average are not able, on their own, to understand the long-term potential threats that may arise. Soldiers are created to act and not to think.<br />So ask for a school teacher to understand the tangle of multiple systems sciences, from philosophy, sociobiology, sociology, psychology, history, statistics, is asking too much.<br />We are taking our responsibility to guide the masses and throwing the blame of our inaction and cowardice on the back of these people that have been carved by nature for simple cognitive specialization and socialization, with reduced costs for abstract intelligence.<br /><br />GottliebGottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46174144665534557352013-12-11T07:38:58.348-05:002013-12-11T07:38:58.348-05:00While hbd community continue to deviate from the t...While hbd community continue to deviate from the true worthiness of points regarding this debate, also will not be able to keep any honest discussion and will continue to have many more questions than answers.<br />Besides the biological tendency of pathological altruism developed by European Caucasian populations (more compelling evidence for the superiority of the Caucasian mind compared to the others), which has been widely discussed, another very important factor should not be overlooked or treated in a prejudicial manner, as a conspiracy theory.<br />This factor is precisely the visible and active participation of the Ashkenazi population to promote all essentially anti-Western intellectual movements.<br />It is not necessary that a large Jewish population living in Denmark, so this proves that this country has been encapsulated by the same draconian measures that moment then make most Western countries, far worse places to live. It is only necessary to understand that the two largest systemic-imperial institutions (USA and Union European), not only there is an overrepresentation of an Ashkenazi elite along with their allies European strain, but also a surgical presence these main elements in key positions of prominence. It is not necessary to numerically dominate a country, through colonization and demographic expansion, just dominate your brain, ie, its universities, its from the media, their centers of culture and its political institutions. These metaphorically speaking, as are the first dominoes that when pushed in causing the overthrow of all other parts chain.<br />The majority of the population is composed of passive consumer of culture.<br />Western elites are phenotypically more similar to the Ashkenazi elites than in relation to their own populations.<br />The Danes are together with all European white people, at the bottom of a pyramidal society, are semi-slaves, and as every subordinate, they have no rights ..<br />Europeans however, are the ones who will be able to leave their own prisons<br /><br />GottliebAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-22764137404556835552013-12-09T10:21:20.980-05:002013-12-09T10:21:20.980-05:00Mike Steinberg wrote:
"As Jonathan Haidt obs...Mike Steinberg wrote:<br /><br />"As Jonathan Haidt observes*, you need to follow the sacredness. People develop their views around sacred beliefs. In this case, some minorities are essentially sacralized and it is taboo to suggest they shouldn't be entering these countries. <br /><br />You can see it in the UK, where it is now ok for Labour politicians to admit they were wrong about their immigration policies - but they use the example of immigrants from other european countries like Poland - not from the less assimilable groups."<br /><br />Not sure that there is a process of sacralisation so much as a pervasive fear of being accused of racism. Such accusations are more likely to stick if you show particular dislike for large-scale immigration by non-Europeans.<br /><br />Not only Labour, but politicians of all main parties, as well as newspapers tending towards the Right, such as the Daily Mail, have been much happier citing immigration from East European countries than from West Africa or the Indian sub-continent.<br /><br />Responsible commentators have had to develop feelgood catchphrases when addressing immigration problems, such as advocating 'balanced' or 'sustainable' immigration, or the need to admit only 'highly skilled migrants' - nudge nudge, wink wink.<br /><br />In practice, any form of effective immigration control is likely to involve some measure of hypocritical fudge. No one who wants to get ahead in politics will risk saying 'We don't want our country to continue being a population overspill area for Third World countries with high birth rates'. Immigration controls will have to be ostensibly deracialised by arguing for tests which assess the merits of each individual would-be immigrant, while knowing full well that these will have a disparate impact.<br /><br />What follows then is a war of nerves. Will the enthusiasts for mass immigration want to risk a public debate on why people from different countries score differently on aptitude tests, for example?<br /><br />And will those in favour of tough immigration controls be willing to defend individual tests of entry in the light of those results?Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-45825329609824544892013-12-06T23:38:08.697-05:002013-12-06T23:38:08.697-05:00@ Harold: Interesting turn of phrase.@ Harold: Interesting turn of phrase.Anonymous Ihttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-52198669031804080592013-12-06T09:47:57.408-05:002013-12-06T09:47:57.408-05:00A right is like a dollar; it exists if it is belie...A right is like a dollar; it exists if it is believed to exist.Haroldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-53911876619692178762013-12-06T05:59:59.984-05:002013-12-06T05:59:59.984-05:00@ Anon: "No, it is an unquestionable truth th...@ Anon: "No, it is an unquestionable truth that a people have a right to exist if that is their will."<br /><br />Do a people have a right to exist if that is their will? Well, gosh... I guess your assertion that this question cannot be asked is wrong, seeing as how I just asked it.<br /><br />But to clarify, the idea of rights is an extension of legalism; the right to a fair trial, or the right to bear arms. Such rights are enumerated in legal documents but have no meaning beyond the society that invokes or revokes them. Nature operates under different criteria.Anonymous Ihttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-53164709648359384602013-12-05T21:45:57.472-05:002013-12-05T21:45:57.472-05:00"Barak, Danish women don't necessarily ha..."Barak, Danish women don't necessarily have children with Danish men. And there is going to be an ever increasing population pressure from sub-Saharan Africa, largely young and male. Denmark has already introduced what is widely thought to be harsh restrictions on immigration. yet there there is more immigration to Denmark now that ever before.<br /><br />szopeno, science is the systematic study of our own impressions, it's every bit as vulnerable to being systematicaly misled as moral philosophy. There are climate change denier scientists are there not?"<br /><br />Sean,<br /><br />Unlike in America in Denmark people are united by common ancestry and race not just nationality. The vast majority of people in Denmark are actually Danish. The vast majority of Danish people have children with other Danes and have for thousands of years. I doubt inter marriage with immigrants is a problem. I also doubt immigrants and Danes will inter marry with each other as much or more than with themselves. I am sure more conservative and patriotic Danes are very against inter marriage with immigrants. In America which is a country of immigrants that mind set is looked down on and seen as raciest. I think it can be good because it is about ethnic identity, pride, and preservation. <br /><br />As someone who studies human genetics' as a hobby. I want ethnic groups to be as unmixed as possible. Even though I have heard in TV shows and records that people immigrate from country to country in Europe and are very mixed. DNA studies have pretty much proven that is not true. For people today in the old world(not America's because of European invasions). Welsh and Irish have pretty much completely pure Insular Celtic ancestry not English at all. <br /><br />The only time there is major ethnic inter marriage. Is because of invasion(like Anglo Saxon invasion of Britain), major immigration by force(like Irish and British slave trade during Viking age), and neighboring people just mixing(put that is still pretty rare Germans and Poles not very common. Y DNA haplogroups I have noticed represent ancient people's and pre historic cultures not modern countries. In the Old world till recently people mix with their own people almost always. I looked at my own Cornish(Briton Celts) ancestry and it goes from 1840's-1500's they stayed in the exact same two neighboring towns of Cornwall for that whole time and only mixing with people born in one of two neighboring towns. I am sure almost all their ancestry had lived in that area since before Romans conquered the Britons over 2,000 years ago.<br /><br />Do you want to live in a depressing survival of the fittest world and die alone and sad Sean? There is nothing wrong with morals it is apart of human nature like music, falling in love, and being social. I don't understand why "intellectual people"(I am not saying any of you are). First put down religion but they also put down human morals. And are very liberal In the way that they don't like tradition. Are they just against humanity overall or something? <br /><br />Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-11310249637084858702013-12-05T20:44:02.470-05:002013-12-05T20:44:02.470-05:00Why are people talking about nature as if it is a ...Why are people talking about nature as if it is a living thing. When really the idea is that no one is helping you are completely alone. There is no such thing as merciless nature.Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-52066133021347216532013-12-05T20:40:54.245-05:002013-12-05T20:40:54.245-05:00Peter,
Well Spanish were wrong to think what they...Peter,<br /><br />Well Spanish were wrong to think what they were doing was justified. What is right never changes with time. <br /><br />" A "right" is a construct that we create to manage social relations within a particular society at a particular point in time. Why do you think we have statutes of limitations?"<br /><br />This is totally wrong. We don't create morals to fit our situation we are born with them. We all have different cultures or personalities which express the same morals in a different way's. You can study people around the world and see that we all go completely by the same instinct. <br /><br /> <br />Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-26502064708471643342013-12-05T20:27:15.340-05:002013-12-05T20:27:15.340-05:00I think what these people need to do is reframe it...<i>I think what these people need to do is reframe it to a small country protecting its culture - just as the Dalai Lama does. Note the sympathetic coverage in The Guardian of the Dalai Lama being concerned about Tibet being swamped.<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/24/tibet.china<br /><br />Similarly, Netanyahu can quite openly state that Israel is building a fence to keep out African immigrants. Why? Because they are "a concrete threat to the Jewish and democratic character of the country."<br /><br />European countries need to realise they also have legitimate interests in protecting the character of their countries.</i><br /><br />You're assuming that some general principle regarding national preservation is involved here. It's not. Europeans that assert national preservation are attacked as "racist", "anti-Semitic", etc. by the same media that supports Tibet or thinks that the "Jewish character" of Israel should be preserved. <br /><br />Support for Tibet has its origins more in anti-communism and anti-China politics than in a genuine concern for Tibetan preservation. Tibet is very socially conservative and traditional, which is why the Tibet and Dalai Lama cult in the media portrays the Dalai Lama as some sort of liberal hippy. Otherwise there'd be some serious cognitive dissonance generated among the liberals that support Tibet and the Dalai Lama. Burma is another socially conservative and traditional Buddhist nation, but there's no anti-China angle there, so the Burmese Buddhists are attacked by the media as being "ultra-nationalist", "racist", reactionary, etc. for wanting to preserve themselves from the Muslim Rohingya. <br /><br />Jews and Israel are privileged relative to Europeans and enjoy greater immunity than Europeans do from media attacks against national preservation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32551890858803524892013-12-05T20:23:26.085-05:002013-12-05T20:23:26.085-05:00It might be adaptive at a group level of selection...<i>It might be adaptive at a group level of selection for the Danes to stop worrying about how they can help the immigrants, but it is not adaptive (from any particular Dane's point of view) to agitate for that.<br /><br />Merciless Nature approves of those who want to save the immigrants (from having to stay in their own countries). Because being pro-immigrant is a way for the individual to get ahead in the social environment of a liberal society.</i><br /><br />Except "merciless Nature" is quite merciless about what qualifies as an individual "getting ahead": reproductive success. There's no evidence that suggests that individuals behaving in ways "to get ahead in the social environment of a liberal society" reproduce more. In fact, all the evidence is to the contrary. Such individuals have lower reproductive rates. Individuals who behave in the exact opposite way, such as those in conservative religious groups, have higher reproductive rates. Individuals striving "to get ahead in the social environment of a liberal society" end up suppressing their own fertility while promoting that of others. "Merciless Nature" certainly approves of those whose reproduction is promoted by such individuals, but not such individuals themselves. It's not a case of them getting ahead. It's a case of parasitic castration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-12601090889038987892013-12-05T17:44:33.997-05:002013-12-05T17:44:33.997-05:00Sadly unlike the Sephardic Jews of the Mediterrane...Sadly unlike the Sephardic Jews of the Mediterranean, the Ashkenazim can't really be identified with just one single racial type. Lundman's suggestion was that crossing a Nordic or Mediterranean stock with an Alpine or East Baltic one will lengthen the face, and sometimes even to a pathological degree. Thanks for replying.Bones and Behaviourshttp://w11.zetaboards.com/bonesandbehavioursnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-74837807257229625162013-12-05T15:14:12.057-05:002013-12-05T15:14:12.057-05:00"Was it okay for Spanish to conquer and massa..."Was it okay for Spanish to conquer and massacre Native Americans?"<br /><br />Barak, <br /><br />At the time, the Spaniards thought they were doing God's work. They were rescuing the Amerindians from eternal damnation and providing them with an opportunity for eternal salvation.<br /><br />The past is another country. And so is the future. It's right for us to judge and condemn people in the here and now. That's why we have rights. But rights are not indefinitely extendable across time and space. Was it right for modern humans to replace the Neanderthals? The question is absurd. A "right" is a construct that we create to manage social relations within a particular society at a particular point in time. Why do you think we have statutes of limitations?<br /><br />Sean,<br /><br />This is something we'll all have to grapple with. Our desire to help is being exploited by people who themselves have much less empathy. The end result will be the destruction of societies, like the Danes', that have a high degree of concern for the well being of others.<br /><br />Luke,<br /><br />Again, "rights" are human creations. You think you have rights, only to discover they've been taken away.<br /><br />Ben,<br /><br />As I understand the article, Michelle Tribalat was condemning that EU directive.<br /><br />Bones,<br /><br />I remember reading an Israeli study that found that Jews of mixed Ashkenazi-Sephardic origin had a higher incidence of dental problems (because of incompatibilities between different patterns of jaw growth). Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-56761130686899721222013-12-05T14:05:34.648-05:002013-12-05T14:05:34.648-05:00Peter, can you comment on any research you know th...Peter, can you comment on any research you know that supports the conclusion Lundman makes in this paper from the 70s?<br /><br />http://www.unz.org/Pub/MankindQuarterly-1972jan-00157?View=PDFPagesBones and Behaviourshttp://w11.zetaboards.com/bonesandbehavioursnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-23252598646113264742013-12-05T10:32:17.936-05:002013-12-05T10:32:17.936-05:00Apparently there is a EU directive that passed at ...Apparently there is a EU directive that passed at the Council of Nov. 19, 2004. The European countries agreed on 11 points that are discussed by Michelle Tribalat in an interview. <br />Tribalat declares: "[these directives] about the integration [of the new immigrants in their host country] doesn't recognize any asymmetry between the host society and the incomers. No privileges are granted to the Europeans and their cultural inheritance. All the different cultures in presence have the same legitimacy. We do not recognize any substantial European culture worthy to be preserved"<br /><br />Translation of the article in French site fdesouche at<br />http://www.fdesouche.com/440955-immigration-michele-tribalat-aucun-privilege-nest-accorde-aux-europeens-ou-a-leur-heritage#more-440955<br /><br />No matter, I will add only on this topic that for me, all these stories of birth rates, IQ and integration are irrelevant. Even if all the immigrants were peacefull and all Nobel priced with an IQ of 250, they still would have no right to flood and control their host countries. <br /><br />As for Tribalat: tch tch tch tchoo! tchoo! pffffffffffff....<br /> Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-49620292529558386912013-12-05T07:42:08.138-05:002013-12-05T07:42:08.138-05:00@ Anon I:
No, it is an unquestionable truth that ...@ Anon I:<br /><br />No, it is an unquestionable truth that a people have a right to exist if that is their will. Overturning the demographics of a country via mass immigration as noted in Nyborg's study is the equivalent of genocide. <br /><br />That the Dane's are doing it to themselves does not change the moral character of the action in question, because if the Dane's were to choose to stop harming themselves, that is also their right, and the ever nebulous "Internationl Community", whatever the heck that is, would have no right to force them to continue a policy of cultural and genetic suicide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-12543721637950104282013-12-04T22:56:22.098-05:002013-12-04T22:56:22.098-05:00@ Anon. & Luke Lea:
Though I can understand y...@ Anon. & Luke Lea:<br /><br />Though I can understand your feelings on the subject, these notions about "unquestionable rights" or "human rights" are arbitrary. I could say that eating watermelons is a human right just as easily as I could say that eating watermelons is unquestionably immoral. These are empty, unsupported claims.Anonymous Ihttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-59187755248061196072013-12-04T21:51:25.691-05:002013-12-04T21:51:25.691-05:00Immigration restriction is a human right. I read ...Immigration restriction is a human right. I read that sentence somewhere recently and it sticks in my mind.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-82831808585893803212013-12-04T16:42:02.897-05:002013-12-04T16:42:02.897-05:00To populate is to govern. There is no point being...To populate is to govern. There is no point being sentimental about it. If one group of people inhabitating a specific territory decide to invite in an endless stream of more higly fertile people, the new people will replace the existing stock, who will eventually become a small minority. That is simple math.<br /><br />This is no different than an invasion, and it can be seen around the world in history - i.e. in America with the replacement of the Indians, with white and blacks, in Turkey after Mazinkert, in Egypt after the Arab conquest, in Siberia after the Russian conquest.<br /><br />If a specific people does not believe in their own special existence in their own land, there is little that can be done for them by outsiders.<br /><br />Danes need to want to remain Danish and have a Denmark. If they want neither, they can certainly content themselves with a future existence similar to that of the Crimean Goths during the Middle Ages or the Latin-Dalmatians among the Croats..<br /><br />If Danes want to remain Danish in their own country, they can cut off the flow of foreigners and expell the unassimilable. The land belongs to those who inhabit it and hold it. Its the unquestionable right of a people to maintain their own abode and culture and not have to change themselves to accomodate an influx of foreigners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-18721487665712484402013-12-03T13:51:17.126-05:002013-12-03T13:51:17.126-05:00Peter, Nyborg makes sense, but talking about '...Peter, Nyborg makes sense, but talking about 'genetic decay', as if the IQ of people from other countries is an exhaustive summary of their worth as human beings, is a mistake. Those who think the reality about immigrants is in a diverse multitude of social perspectives will only be entrenched.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/30/opinion/migration-hurts-the-homeland.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">NYT opinion by Paul Collier</a>: "Many on the left, for their part, don’t like to recognize that we’re taking away fairy godmothers. They prefer to believe that they’re helping poor people flee difficult situations at home. But we might be feeding a vicious circle, in which home gets worse precisely because the fairy godmothers leave. Humanitarians become caught up trying to help individuals, and therefore miss the larger implications: There are poor people, and there are poor societies. An open door for the talented would help Facebook’s bottom line, but not the bottom billion."Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-18156294859670111362013-12-03T13:47:19.075-05:002013-12-03T13:47:19.075-05:00***A real man fights for what is morally right not...***A real man fights for what is morally right not just his own survival.***<br /><br />As Jonathan Haidt observes*, you need to follow the sacredness. People develop their views around sacred beliefs. In this case, some minorities are essentially sacralized and it is taboo to suggest they shouldn't be entering these countries. <br /><br />You can see it in the UK, where it is now ok for Labour politicians to admit they were wrong about their immigration policies - but they use the example of immigrants from other european countries like Poland - not from the less assimilable groups. <br /><br />I think what these people need to do is reframe it to a small country protecting its culture - just as the Dalai Lama does. Note the sympathetic coverage in The Guardian of the Dalai Lama being concerned about Tibet being swamped.<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/24/tibet.china<br /><br />Similarly, Netanyahu can quite openly state that Israel is building a fence to keep out African immigrants. Why? Because they are "a concrete threat to the Jewish and democratic character of the country." <br /><br />European countries need to realise they also have legitimate interests in protecting the character of their countries.<br /><br />http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-illegal-african-immigrants-a-threat-to-israel-s-jewish-character-1.302653<br /><br />*http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.htmlMike Steinbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-22598848700176434132013-12-03T09:42:47.187-05:002013-12-03T09:42:47.187-05:00Barak, Danish women don't necessarily have chi...Barak, Danish women don't necessarily have children with Danish men. And there is going to be an ever increasing population pressure from sub-Saharan Africa, largely young and male. Denmark has already introduced what is widely thought to be harsh restrictions on immigration. yet there there is more immigration to Denmark now that ever before.<br /><br />szopeno, science is the systematic study of our own impressions, it's every bit as vulnerable to being systematicaly misled as moral philosophy. There are climate change denier scientists are there not?Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44284409305698045792013-12-03T08:46:50.845-05:002013-12-03T08:46:50.845-05:00Denmark is the most liberal country in the world. ...Denmark is the most liberal country in the world. What it is to be 'good', in Denmark as elswhere, is contingent on the social environment (professional criminals might speak of someone who goes to prison rather than inform on his pals as 'good'). <br /><br />From a Darwinian perspective, humans are selected to perceive only what it is in the interests of their individual social success, because until now social success has equalled reproductive fitness. Just as we are not aware our liver is constantly removing toxins from our blood, we aren't aware that our brain is giving us the impressions that will be most useful for reproductive fitness. <br /><br />To answer your first question: I do actually think that the best specimens of humanity in Denmark from a Darwiniam perspective will be liberals. Nyborg and those who think like him have brains that are not working properly; they are perceiving things that are toxic to their social success.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-84064310632695759282013-12-03T08:07:46.135-05:002013-12-03T08:07:46.135-05:00""What kind of science is to make long t...""What kind of science is to make long term projections based strictly on the last twenty years or so immigration and fertility data?"<br /><br />The same as climate change science"<br />--end of quote.<br /><br />That's absurd. Climate change is based on physics and our current understanding of atmosphere, gas behavior etc, not on past trends. In other hand, if there would be no global warming observed, we would have to find explanations WHY there is no GW.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com