tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post7321880140857278847..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Is this the Gay Germ? Part IIPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46275286173776427042021-12-20T15:34:53.921-05:002021-12-20T15:34:53.921-05:00--"A lot is going on below the radar..."...--"A lot is going on below the radar..." - Like heterosexualism, for example--<br /><br />EXACTLY<br /><br />Heterosexualism is a disease caused by a pathogenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-29718158787900140712021-12-20T15:34:00.280-05:002021-12-20T15:34:00.280-05:00"They share only..."
"They" w..."They share only..."<br /><br />"They" who? No other pathogens have been shown here affecting gays with a "higher incidence", as the colleague said above:<br /><br />The research comparing cognitive impairment between drug users and homosexuals also includes heterosexuals and heterosexual behavior, a fact you conveniently overlooked, but the study mentions it clearly<br /><br />People who contracted HIV through heterosexual behavior also have more mental illnesses than drug users in the survey, so this pathogen is just as responsible for causing heterosexualism as other sexualitiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-29479475296335948772021-12-09T15:55:21.549-05:002021-12-09T15:55:21.549-05:00"male homosexuality was overwhelmingly betwee..."male homosexuality was overwhelmingly between older heterosexual men and boys on the brink of puberty" - you mean pederasty, which is necessarily a relationship between adult and adolescent males. By definition, there is no way to involve pre-pubescents, nor heterosexuals.<br /><br />Furthermore, there is no evidence that the majority form of homosexuality before the 20th century was this<br /><br />"A lot is going on below the radar..." - Like heterosexualism, for exampleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-9459280430585489512021-12-09T14:51:54.743-05:002021-12-09T14:51:54.743-05:00Pederasty is a relationship between and adult man ...Pederasty is a relationship between and adult man and a adolescent<br /><br />By definition, it cannot involve pre-pubescents, nor heterosexuals<br /><br />Gosh, these pseudo-scientists are more and more pseudo-scientificAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-37658218075012419662021-12-06T14:47:37.083-05:002021-12-06T14:47:37.083-05:00Male-pattern balding which was told to be "as...Male-pattern balding which was told to be "associated with homosexuality" is attributed to increased androgen sensitivity or androgen receptor density<br /><br />Which indicates that, along with other traits associated with gays such as risk-taking, left handedness and autism, male homosexuality is the result of an extreme masculinization<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5817427/?report=readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-16059361224375141912021-12-04T13:14:32.033-05:002021-12-04T13:14:32.033-05:00Records show that, although minors, pederasty pred...Records show that, although minors, pederasty predominantly involved post-pubertal boys<br /><br />And of course homosexuality among adult men would be hidden from recorded history as it has been severely repressed<br /><br />I reald only spurious confabulations hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-11275779719875862622021-12-04T13:02:10.338-05:002021-12-04T13:02:10.338-05:00"male homosexuality was overwhelmingly betwee..."male homosexuality was overwhelmingly between older heterosexual men and boys"<br /><br />This is totally false, but assuming it's true<br /><br />Are you saying then that heterosexual men are to blame for spreading homosexuality? But if these men who had sex with boys did so because they were previously "infected" with the "homosexuality virus," then why would they be straight? Your fables don't make any senseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-6071844519423389032021-12-04T12:56:30.773-05:002021-12-04T12:56:30.773-05:00The (only) research comparing cognitive impairment...The (only) research comparing cognitive impairment between drug users and homosexuals also includes heterosexuals and heterosexual behavior, a fact you conveniently overlooked, but the study mentions it clearly:<br /><br />People who contracted HIV through heterosexual behavior also have more mental illnesses than drug users in the survey, so this pathogen is just as responsible for causing heterosexualism as other sexualityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-90306055996584179232021-12-04T12:41:17.434-05:002021-12-04T12:41:17.434-05:00"They share only one thing in common: they ha..."They share only one thing in common: they have a much higher incidence among gay men than in the general population" <br /><br />Do you refer to cognitive disorders? But isn't it because of AIDS? Or are you inferring that people who became infected with HIV other than through homosexual relationships do not have HAND? If that's the case, what's the evidence? You don't show any<br /><br />Stop being a liarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-26708403047920229102021-11-29T12:56:36.066-05:002021-11-29T12:56:36.066-05:00Genes for male homosexuality in the recent study (...Genes for male homosexuality in the recent study (2019) include several associated with male behaviors such as risk-taking, promiscuity, autism and cannabis use.<br /><br />Given that 1) excess prenatal testosterone exposure has been implicated as one of the factors etiologic to left-handedness, stuttering, and dyslexia; 2) the prevalence of left-handedness, stuttering and dyslexia is higher among males compared to females and higher among homosexual men compared to heterosexual men; 3) there is a preponderance of males among those involved in the aforementioned creative endeavors, especially among those with top-notch ability in said creative endeavors; and 4) plenty of evidence exists suggesting excess prenatal testosterone exposure as one of the major factors etiologic to male homosexuality, one can propose with some confidence that the ability to be a top-notch fashion designer requires a high level of masculinization of some parts of the brain<br /><br />High testosterone, higher propensity of child abuse, and male mentors returning from incarceration with homosexual experiences under their belt could create a decent enough environmental motive for homosexual attraction <br /><br />Male homosexuality is related to excess prenatal testosterone exposureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-70414120527080948752021-11-29T12:30:30.802-05:002021-11-29T12:30:30.802-05:00"exposure to environmental estrogens during c..."exposure to environmental estrogens during childhood, and, yes, a pathogen" - stop talking shit, you'll never find the cause for homosexuality from these lying and explicitly idiotic assumptions<br /><br />Male pattern baldness is caused by dihydrotestosterone, which is produced by testosterone. Eunuchs don't go bald.<br /><br />"People are psychologically biased to see bald men as dominant leaders"<br /><br />https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/people-are-psychologically-biased-to-see-bald-men-as-dominant-leaders-a7872761.html<br /><br />"according to research from the University of Pennsylvania, there's something powerful about having a smooth dome.<br /><br />In three experiments, researcher Albert Mannes found:<br /><br />• "Men with shaved heads were rated as more dominant."<br /><br />• "Men whose hair was digitally removed were perceived as more dominant, taller, and stronger than their authentic selves."<br /><br />• "Men experiencing natural hair loss may improve their interpersonal standing by shaving."<br /><br />Now a data scientist for the US government, Mannes argues that the shaved-and-dominant link comes from cultural associations, in the same way that being tall and having a deep voice each signal dominance.<br /><br />"In US society ... shaved heads are often found on men in traditionally masculine professions," he writes, "so dominance may emerge through stereotypical associations with these figures."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-63324456125708404672021-11-29T12:20:29.283-05:002021-11-29T12:20:29.283-05:00"Before the 20th century..." - this is a..."Before the 20th century..." - this is a blatant lie, and even if it were true, the "theory" remains spurious and does not explain how, today, adult men "spread a virus that was contracted in early childhood "<br /><br />"it's called confabulation" - which serves the same arguments (sexual abuse and gender nonconformity in childhood) that try to corroborate the "theory"<br /><br />Sean, you also make a lot of spurious claims: "gay men experience erectile dysfunction at a higher rate than their heterosexual counterparts", "A huge genetic study detected an allele association with being gay (baldness associated DNA area) was statistically significant", that's all LIES <br /><br />There are actually two reasons why conservatives like you and Coch want to spread this "theory"<br /><br />- first: homophobia<br />- second: incapacity to fully understand natural selection..<br /><br />First of all, humans evolved to be capable to differentiate sex from procreation. To control sex impulse as well to use it in recreational related-activities. It's mean non-reproductive sex desire seems to be in-selection among humans, too. Broader is the sexual behavior spectrum, more diverse it will be;<br /><br />Secondly, sexuality is correlated with cognition and personality. Humans evolved to be psychologically and cognitively diverse because it's better have different specialist types to solve different problems. So it's expected a mix among so-called masculine and so-called feminine traits, and it's also mean about sexual desire. A matter of probability;<br /><br />Thirdly, only very strong and specifically-defined natural selection can ''clean'' population's related phenotypes from ''debris'' as homossexuality.<br /><br />There are some anecdotal evidence of more common bissexual behavior among heterossexual african-descent men... R-strategy or huge fertility to attacks environmental challenges also mean trends to higher phenotypical variation or hyper-sexuality maybe;<br /><br />Fortly, your evidences sound very weak, like a incident correlation... only way to prove it it's finding direct association between fungus and behavior. Like, in the exact way, a homossexual guy feel sexual desire to another male, so-called ''germ'' manifest in the brain. Also, what i already said in Pumpkin Person blog. If you find some microorganisms, unusual ones, in healthy homossexual male sperm, so, this theory also possibly will have some breath.<br /><br />Fifhtly [whatever]: you know we have the similar number of bacterias and cells, right*<br /><br />I don't believe if there is a ''gay germ'' will not have a ''sexual germ''.<br /><br />That's the problem about science without philosophy, i mean, not verborragic crap lots of white thinkers had produced, and i'm including many ''non-liberals''. Scientists put their personal biases over ethics.<br /><br />To fully understand homossexuality we must understand all sexuality. Why not try to understand the biological origins about heterossexual behavior**<br /><br />Still about heritability. Autism seems pretty heritability and some people also believe it's a kind of ''brain infection''. Higher or lower heritability may mean less than we bet. And all the time people is confusing heritability with inheritance levels, what's matter for selective processes.<br /><br />How explain one of the identical twin pairs with no ''fungus/pathogen/germ infection''*<br /><br />AND MORE<br /><br />Sexual abuse or maternal stress don't cause male homosexuality<br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11091252_Prenatal_Stress_and_Gender_Role_Behavior_in_Girls_and_Boys_A_Longitudinal_Population_Study<br />https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26619850/<br /><br />And if there is a "gay germ", then surely there would also be a heterosexual germAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-41603112407330979592019-10-18T17:56:46.876-04:002019-10-18T17:56:46.876-04:00Not much of a gay germ if it sometimes makes gay m...Not much of a gay germ if it sometimes makes gay males as a rare but lasting after effect complication of something like influenza in the mother. When the immune system is activated one feels depressed and in need of rest. A bug that got under the radar of the immune system and while preserving all cognitive functions flipped, or at least tipped the balance, to get an infected male spending his prime reproductive years flamboyantly cruising for endless same sex contacts, would be very well adapted indeed and so deserve the name of gay germ.<br /><br />Baldness under 30 years old is more of a risk factor for heart trouble than being obese, and in folk wisdom bald men are seen as less assertive (not a great jump to saying less violence prone). A huge genetic study detected an allele association with being gay (baldness associated DNA area) was statistically significant. The stump tail manque goes bald and is relatively non violent and surprisingly partial to being gay. I suppose all these things point to sensitivity to hormones and their metabolite being the obvious suspect. Sensitivity to the testosterone metabolite DHT is AFAIK the main factor in baldness. If reducing the action of DHT with Finasteride can have the common side effect of erectile dysfunction and gay men experience erectile dysfunction at a higher rate than their heterosexual counterparts, as they do, then my line of reasoning is one's body is defaulted set for maximum heterosexuality and attractiveness to women under the constraints of any selection collaterally mitigating against total straightness. Hence trying to chemically tweak one's metabolism for less baldness is likely to de-optimise into a less hetrosexual state.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-68706412347403098712019-10-18T15:44:49.213-04:002019-10-18T15:44:49.213-04:00Without entailing spread through the vector of a h...<i>Without entailing spread through the vector of a homosexual behaviour created by a specialised infection, a hypothesis is not really a Gay Germ one .</i><br /><br />Why? That would depend on how virulent the hypothetical pathogen is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-48879430928987516212019-10-18T15:33:08.239-04:002019-10-18T15:33:08.239-04:00Finasteride causes erection problems. Maybe it mak...<i>Finasteride causes erection problems. Maybe it makes you less violent too, and perhaps a little bit gay!</i><br /><br />But it also prevents or reverses baldness. You originally suggested that baldness was associated less violence and gayness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-73582758221141069402019-10-18T01:33:07.244-04:002019-10-18T01:33:07.244-04:00Finasteride causes erection problems. Maybe it mak...Finasteride causes erection problems. Maybe it makes you less violent too, and perhaps a little bit gay!<br /><br /><i>"I'm pretty sure Cochran's theory, at least, posited that the germ was one that was regularly caught in the course of early childhood, but only affected the brains of a small minority of boys, for whatever reason. I'm open to the gay germ theory"</i> He must have changed his mind because he said he did not know when I asked him years ago. <br /><br /><br />A Gay Germ theory worthy of the name (Peter's alone I think) surely must be positing a specific bug spreading by causing homosexuality. At the very least any Gay Germ thesis must suggest a particular strain is increasing the number of gay sex partners, and/or altering the role taken in homosexual contacts (eg dominant 'top to passive 'bottom'). Without entailing spread through the vector of a homosexual behaviour created by a specialised infection, a hypothesis is not really a Gay Germ one .Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-89076723227469132012019-10-17T21:01:24.600-04:002019-10-17T21:01:24.600-04:00Even so, most gay men will tell you they knew they...<i>Even so, most gay men will tell you they knew they were gay before puberty</i><br /><br />This sort of thing is called confabulation, and it's not unique to homosexuals:<br /><br />https://web.colby.edu/cogblog/2017/04/17/eager-to-please-confabulation-in-healthy-and-amnesic-individuals/<br /><br />"Confabulation is the unconscious process of producing false memories, and it can affect anyone. Those affected by confabulation range from amnesic patients to an average person participating in a psychological study. Obviously, the severity and consequences of the confabulation vary depending on the individual and the situation...<br /><br />A paper by Max Coltheart examines confabulation in a range of individuals, from healthy to amnesic. Wilson and Nisbett (1978) tested confabulation in healthy individuals by asking random shoppers to choose a the best quality pair of stockings between 4 identical pairs. As a follow up, shoppers were asked to explain why they chose the pair they did. People offered all sorts of explanations, citing the superior texture or hue of the particular pair of stockings, which were obviously unfounded, since the stockings were all virtually the same.<br /><br />This displays a classic trait of human nature: the keenness we all show for giving the correct or expected answer. When asked to complete a task, we overlook logic in favor of successful completion of the task: in this case, giving the answer that’s expected. Wouldn’t you rather give a response than admit that you don’t know something?<br /><br />Another study in Coltheart’s paper examined confabulation in hypnotized individuals (Barnier, Cox, Connors, Langdon and Coltheart 2010). Subjects were hypnotized to believe that the person in the mirror they were asked to look in was a stranger. When questioned by the experimenters about why they saw a stranger in the mirror, subjects came up with all sorts of explanations in order to make sense of the seemingly impossible situation, including suggesting that they were looking at a photograph or through a hole in the wall. Experimenters also asked the subjects whether one of their family members would be able to tell the difference between them and the person in the mirror. Amazingly, subjects replied “no,” citing specific differences in physical features between themselves and the mirrored person, when of course, just like in the stockings experiment, there were none.<br /><br />These responses, like the subjects’ made-up explanations of the differences between stockings, show the human tendency to find causes, even if they are false, to make sense of a situation.<br /><br />In many cases of question-provoked confabulation, researchers point out that the subjects/patients had the opportunity to respond “I don’t know” when asked to explain the logically impossible situations. Yet instead, they confabulated, coming up with elaborate false explanations for the occurrences. This attempt to rationalize their actions or statements appears to be a better alternative to having no explanation at all (Malle 2006)."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-9961283729558122822019-10-17T17:32:58.522-04:002019-10-17T17:32:58.522-04:00"That is a historically recent form of homose..."That is a historically recent form of homosexuality. Before the 20th century, male homosexuality was overwhelmingly between older heterosexual men and boys on the brink of puberty"<br /><br />Even so, most gay men will tell you they knew they were gay before puberty, and a lot of cross-sex specific behaviors and preferences (e.g. an aversion to roughhousing) that are highly predictive of adult homosexuality in boys are evident, again, years before puberty. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure Cochran's theory, at least, posited that the germ was one that was regularly caught in the course of early childhood, but only affected the brains of a small minority of boys, for whatever reason.<br /><br />I'm open to the gay germ theory, I just don't think it makes a lot of sense. Why would the germ redirect attraction from women to men? Why wouldn't it just make an infected man more promiscuous with women? It would seem to involve less of a cognitive overhaul and a sexually compulsive straight man would spread the germ farther and wider than a non-sexually compulsive gay man. OntheSlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-60686652844214152442019-10-17T17:06:07.599-04:002019-10-17T17:06:07.599-04:00The connection can be seen in the aggression/sex d...<i>The connection can be seen in the aggression/sex double effects of testosterone, which the metabolites of, receptors for, and sensitivity to are known to cause baldness.</i><br /><br />Can you explain this further?<br /><br />The hair loss drug Finasteride works by interfering with the secondary effects of testosterone, which include head hair loss and body hair growth. <br /><br />The highest rate of male pattern baldness is among Mediterranean/Near Eastern Caucasians, who tend to have lots of body hair. The lowest is among East Asians, who have the least body hair:<br /><br />https://melmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Screen-Shot-2019-04-10-at-4.21.40-PM-1280x612.pngAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-20133797964437300092019-10-17T13:53:41.997-04:002019-10-17T13:53:41.997-04:00"I suppose what I don't understand is how..."I suppose what I don't understand is how homosexuality among adult men spreads a virus that was supposedly caught in early childhood. Most gay men just sleep with other gay and bisexual (i.e. already infected) men."<br /><br />That is a historically recent form of homosexuality. Before the 20th century, male homosexuality was overwhelmingly between older heterosexual men and boys on the brink of puberty.<br /><br />"I also don't understand why the carrier of a virus that changes the host's sexual orientation becomes useless to it after a certain age given that people continue to have sex past their forties."<br /><br />See:<br />http://medind.nic.in/iaa/t13/i8/iaat13i8p207.pdf<br /><br />Below the age of 50 years, all men (n = 19) were sexually active with zero percent reporting no sexual activity. Only one person (5.26%) was partially sexually active. <br />After the age of 50 years (n = 49), 24.48% of men were fully sexually active; 30.61% were partially sexually active and 46.93% were not sexually active. <br />After the age of 60 years, none of the men were fully sexually active. ‘No sexual activity’ increased from 20% in the 51-60 years age group to 87.5% in those aged >70 years. Sixty-nine percent men aged 60-70 years were not sexually active.<br />After the age of 70 years, 86% males were not sexually active.Peter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-30001236846197934362019-10-17T10:07:03.430-04:002019-10-17T10:07:03.430-04:00Yes, but that rather proves my point that selectio...Yes, but that rather proves my point that selection for the wild look is responsible for the prestige of supermodels, and that is neither homo or hetero sexual inspired. Compare Przewalski's horse to a thoroughbred and it is obviously true the <i>appearance</i> of wild type robustity can be selected for in domesticated animals, or aristocratic families (eg Stella Tennant) if rampant heterosexuality is not calling the shots. Higher social class people are more socio economic successful and less heterosexual I think.<br /><br />"Baldie" is a terrible insult for a young man. Girls don't like balding young men (quite correctly if they are looking for a 'Sexy Son' fathering husband), and I was dubious that a virus that wanted to spread by sex would cause baldness. It now turns out that male pattern baldness is associated with a gene for reduced hetrosexuality, and I think the gene is for reduced propensity for violence. The connection can be seen in the aggression/sex double effects of testosterone, which the metabolites of, receptors for, and sensitivity to are known to cause baldness.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-19932423335651047422019-10-16T15:11:08.349-04:002019-10-16T15:11:08.349-04:00It's not a male sexual preference it's mor...<i>It's not a male sexual preference it's more like way that people like the look of wolves, Afghan hounds or thoroughbred horses.</i><br /><br />"Horseface" is an insult men direct towards taller women who often have a certain facial structure. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-26478021543959967602019-10-16T13:43:52.201-04:002019-10-16T13:43:52.201-04:00I suppose what I don't understand is how homos...I suppose what I don't understand is how homosexuality among adult men spreads a virus that was supposedly caught in early childhood. Most gay men just sleep with other gay and bisexual (i.e. already infected) men.<br /><br />I also don't understand why the carrier of a virus that changes the host's sexual orientation becomes useless to it after a certain age given that people continue to have sex past their forties. <br /><br />I think Jason Malloy, a long time ago, noted that he looked for support for the pathogen theory in the seasonality of gay men's birthdays and didn't find any.<br /><br />Ontheslynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-19226621070537704602019-10-16T05:17:59.656-04:002019-10-16T05:17:59.656-04:00It's not a male sexual preference it's mor...It's not a male sexual preference it's more like way that people like the look of wolves, Afghan hounds or thoroughbred horses. Anyway, homosexuality is more common among middle class and above people.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-61105924826456453672019-10-15T17:11:09.085-04:002019-10-15T17:11:09.085-04:00I don't know if there's a male preference ...I don't know if there's a male preference for the tall, willowy look you describe as high status and aristocratic. High status men settling for such types may be tied to assortative mating. <br /><br />High class, aristocratic women tend to be tall because their male forebears tend to be tall. High class, aristocratic men tend to be tall because that class selects for social and interpersonal dominance. Height is a significant advantage in social and interpersonal dominance. People are naturally deferential to taller people, associate height with authority and leadership, and literally look up to tall people. There are likely very basic mental modules at work here related to how children associate height with parental authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com