tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post2195043781291158621..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Skin color and Egyptian/Nubian encountersPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-87866478927179541402009-12-17T14:11:28.438-05:002009-12-17T14:11:28.438-05:00Great link Billy!
www.migrationstoriesofnigerian...Great link Billy! <br /><br />www.migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.wordpress.comMs. Ezinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-27515385074190048542009-12-16T23:05:07.188-05:002009-12-16T23:05:07.188-05:00http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpre...http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/egyptiansethiopiansnubians-are-same-ethnic-people-northafrica-horn-of-africa/BillyGambelahttp://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-34428096561113915772009-05-09T23:04:00.000-04:002009-05-09T23:04:00.000-04:00"For another thing, the ancient Egyptian language,..."For another thing, the ancient Egyptian language, like Sumerian and other early languages, functioned largely as a memory aid for key events and transactions. Not until the advent of Homeric Greek did people have a language that could truly express their inner thoughts and feelings"<br />From someone with decades of experience in studying and teaching both Egyptian literature and language, as well as Greek and Latin literature, this sounds like absolute twaddle. And of a racist nature. It would be nice to know who to blame for this ignorant notion.<br />Egyptian literature is quite capable expressing "inner thoughts and feelings" as any decent translation will show.LGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-9755968588215071882009-04-30T13:39:00.000-04:002009-04-30T13:39:00.000-04:00The Romans knew how to breed pigs, pigs reverted t...The Romans knew how to breed pigs, pigs reverted to a long legged and long snouted type in Britain after they left. Low IQ slaves would be a liability so I doubt they were given the same opportunities to reproduce. Moreover slave owners would often father children with female slaves.<br /><br /> So, whatever the average of those inside the Roman Empire area Europeans outside it may well have averaged lower . This entails an average of under around 90 which, (to be clear), I find a bit hard to believe myself.Todnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-55354981378599850862009-04-29T16:55:00.000-04:002009-04-29T16:55:00.000-04:00"If so the barbarians in parts of Northern Europe ..."If so the barbarians in parts of Northern Europe never civilized by Rome would have had still lower average IQs, under 90."<br /><br />Quite possibly true in the specific case of your ancestors. <br /><br />Roman cities were poulation sinks, and the Roman upper class certainly failed to replace itself from late Republican times onward. I've seen nothing to indicate Roman "civilization" would have meant selection for higher IQ in subject populations, nor is there the slightest reason to believe Northern European "barbarians" ever had lower IQs than Romans.<br /><br />If we're going to speculate about ancient IQs, the scenario laid by <A HREF="http://www.wspublishers.com/uhh.pdf" REL="nofollow">Michael Hart</A> has the benefit of at least being plausible.n/ahttp://racehist.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-6757841920635495802009-04-29T14:26:00.000-04:002009-04-29T14:26:00.000-04:00Tod, about your link
"To test this hypothesis, Ga...Tod, about your link<br /><br />"To test this hypothesis, Gallup, Burch, Zappieri, Parvez, Stockwell, and Davis (2003) simulated sexual encounters using artificial models and measured the magnitude of artificial semen displacement as a function of phallus configuration, depth of thrusting, and semen viscosity."<br /><br />and so on and so on, like "Can a female be pregnant from a male she never had sex with ? we believe the answer is yes..."<br /><br />Are these people funded to do that kind of research ?<br />Can you imagine the grant application:<br /><br />"...semen displacement will be measured by using artificial models..."<br /><br />Bunch of sick people. Give me back my taxes !!<br /><br />RGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-13690921265807699362009-04-29T12:15:00.000-04:002009-04-29T12:15:00.000-04:00(cont.)
mean Greco-Roman IQ may have been only abo...(cont.)<br /><B>mean Greco-Roman IQ may have been only about 90 or so.</B> <br />If so the barbarians in parts of Northern Europe never civilized by Rome would have had still lower average IQs, <I>under</I> 90.Todnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15318514566795208492009-04-29T10:01:00.000-04:002009-04-29T10:01:00.000-04:00"Human pygmies do not appear to have evolved throu..."Human pygmies do not appear to have evolved through positive selection for small stature—this was a by-product of selection for early onset of reproduction." <A HREF="http://www.pnas.org/content/104/51/20216" REL="nofollow">here</A><B> mean Greco-Roman IQ may have been only about 90 or so. This would be in line with Greg Cochran's thinking: mean IQs in the 100+ range seem to be a recent evolutionary </B>Wouldn't this put the the IQ in parts ofTodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-75798327370704152092009-04-28T14:25:00.000-04:002009-04-28T14:25:00.000-04:00Nubian rule as the 25th dynasty (ca770-656)is easi...Nubian rule as the 25th dynasty (ca770-656)is easier to understand if they had been exposed to selection pressures for literacy, compliance with time scheduling, and navigation in a milieu characterized by state formation and social stratification" for a millennia.<br /><A HREF="http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/ep021223.pdf" REL="nofollow">Semen Displacement as a Sperm Competition Strategy in Humans</A>"A longer penis would not only have been an advantage for leaving semen in a less accessible part of the vagina, but by filling and expanding the vagina it also would aid and abet the displacement of semen left by other males as a means of maximizing the likelihood of paternity."<br /><br />This kind of competition is different from the selection for male-male competition for mates that said to have resulted in black Africans evolving. The size in pygmies equals that of black Africans according to <A HREF="http://openlibrary.org/b/OL3488350M/Racial-adaptations" REL="nofollow">Racial Adaptations</A> It may be that first prize goes to pygmies in a relative sense not for brains though. <br /><br />Brainpower was increased by the need for courtship and social grooming. A older stategy by pygmies?Todnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-15194737557791058222009-04-27T16:12:00.000-04:002009-04-27T16:12:00.000-04:00Rob,
I'll be writing a post about that study.
Ja...Rob,<br /><br />I'll be writing a post about that study.<br /><br />Jason,<br /><br />It's widely believed that most sub-Saharan Africans entered the Greco-Roman world as slaves, so I'm not sure that a cemetery study would prove much of anything.<br /><br />For what it's worth, early Christian literature indicates low status. In the Acts of Peter, a black woman is dressed in filthy rags and has an iron collar and chains. In the Acts of Thomas, Satan is depicted as a black man wearing dirty clothing. Low social status is also suggested by a secondary meaning ascribed to Aethiopia in Late Latin. In one of his exegeses, Ambrose noted that "the meaning of Ethiopia in Latin is 'lowly and vile'." He concluded, "What is more lowly, what is more like Ethiopia, than our bodies, blackened, too, by the darkness of sin?"<br /><br />You make an interesting point with respect to stereotypes. In Antiquity, blacks are described frequently as macrophallic, yet rarely as unintelligent. Could it be that the IQ gap was narrower back then? <br /><br />On the one hand, mean Greco-Roman IQ may have been only about 90 or so. This would be in line with Greg Cochran's thinking: mean IQs in the 100+ range seem to be a recent evolutionary development.<br /><br />On the other hand, most blacks entering the Greco-Roman world were Nubians who, by the time of Christ, had been acculturated by the Egyptians for some two millennia. They would have already been exposed to selection pressures for literacy, compliance with time scheduling, and navigation in a milieu characterized by state formation and social stratification.<br /><br />All of this may have changed by the dawn of the Islamic era. Black slaves were being recruited from locations further into sub-Saharan Africa. Meanwhile, the Christian and Islamic worlds, with their emphasis on study of the Bible/Koran, may have increased selection for ability to process written texts within a much larger percentage of the population.Peter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-71600794275666107512009-04-24T07:59:00.000-04:002009-04-24T07:59:00.000-04:00I've been following blacks in antiquity research f...I've been following blacks in antiquity research for a while looking for clues to the historical onset of the intelligence difference. The cemetery method was mentioned by <A HREF="http://www.uark.edu/rd_vcad/images/Demirel.pdf" REL="nofollow">one scholar</A> as a way to determine the "racism" of ancient Rome (that is, to determine if assimilated blacks attained a lower social status than other Romans; a possible proxy for intelligence):<br /><br /><I>"[One] avenue of research could involve searching for more evidence concerning blacks in ancient Rome. One method could be the examination of ancient Roman tombstone inscriptions for Romans who were described as black or Aethiops. These inscriptions could contain information about black Romans’ social statuses, vocations, spouses, and children that would be vital in assessing what level of economic power and status Aethiopes reached in ancient Rome."</I>Both Frank Snowden and Bernard Lewis argue that beliefs about sub-Saharan intelligence didn't start until some time later... perhaps the 7th century with the expansion of the African slave trade. (There may be a bit of circular reasoning on the parts of both authors though, as there is documentary evidence the belief goes back to antiquity (e.g. Galen), but they use this to argue these texts were interpolated to reflect views that came in the later period.) This is when David Goldenberg traces the association of black with slave in Islamic, Christian, and Jewish literature. In other words, the cross-culturally held perception is at least 1300 years old.<br /><br /><A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=QFHB2D4XH8UC&pg=PA190&dq=%22large+phallus%22+%22commonly+given+by+pagan%22&ei=CKXxSenPD6KuzASx9P2YCw" REL="nofollow">Scholars</A> <A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=7MQOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=%22blacks+with+hypersexuality%22&ei=aaLxSZP8Eo-6ygT7_q38Cg" REL="nofollow">agree that</A> blacks since antiquity were viewed as more sexually virile: more promiscuous and with larger sex organs. In other words, the cross-culturally held perception is at least 2000+ years old.Jason Malloyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04855482153162314172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46811823926114042742009-04-23T12:37:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:37:00.000-04:00Hi Peter,
Off topic, If you haven't seen it yet, ...Hi Peter,<br /><br />Off topic, If you haven't seen it yet, there seems to be a correlation between lattitude and sex ratio. Fewer girls are born further from the equator.<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/health/21sex.html?ref=sciencerobnoreply@blogger.com