tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post2763381614704523737..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: The big bird that takes away waterPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-78088708283347696822021-03-30T09:23:58.987-04:002021-03-30T09:23:58.987-04:00Mr,
You can contact me via Hotmail (pfrost61 at ho...Mr,<br />You can contact me via Hotmail (pfrost61 at hotmail.com)<br /><br />Malcolm,<br /><br />Britain is at the same latitude as the Aleutian Islands. I know the climate is different, but it's the same latitude.Peter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32916587974351722582021-03-29T21:42:31.231-04:002021-03-29T21:42:31.231-04:00I stand corrected. Nevertheless, it can be reasona...I stand corrected. Nevertheless, it can be reasonably certain that the Southern Cross was never visible on the Bering Land Bridge, by which Asians entered North America, and by the time they managed to reach an area where it was visible, all myths relating to it would have been forgotten. Also, Asia does not have any large, flightless birds like the emu and rhea.Malcolm Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672612354161787023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-6979981011669551682021-03-28T15:16:08.198-04:002021-03-28T15:16:08.198-04:00Greetings, Peter Frost is there an email or some w...Greetings, Peter Frost is there an email or some way I can contact you privately? I would like to send a personal message to you related to HBD.<br /><br />Thank you.MRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-25370622633843000562021-03-25T18:03:24.484-04:002021-03-25T18:03:24.484-04:00Anon,
Good point. The Incan expansion may have ob...Anon,<br /><br />Good point. The Incan expansion may have obliterated various coastal cultures.<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />This is what I found in MYTHS AND GENES: A Deep Historical Reconstruction. Moscow: Librokom/URSS, 2011 (ISBN 978–5–397–01175–4)<br /><br />"Another migration wave turns out to be associated with the distribution of mtDNA HG B and motifs of "Melazonian" mythological complex whose highest concentration is observed in Melanesia, on the one hand, and Amazonia, on the other. These motifs form a few connected sets, which suggest certain possibilities for the reconstruction of some features of "proto- Melazonian" mythology brought to the New World by the bearers of mtDNA HG B. One such set of interconnected motifs belongs to the "Paradise Lost" group: first of all, H04:1 Death: Shed Skin (D1889.6), H05A: Snakes are immortal, people are not, H30: The Wrong Choice. Another group includes a number of motifs centered around F38: Women Lose their<br />High Position – F44: Women and Men Separate, F39: Women are Punished, F43: The First Women Disappear, F40: Male Leader of Women, F41: Men Kill the Women, F45: Amazons, F42: Men Abandon the Women, F43A: The First Women Disappear. A: They Kill or Transform the<br />Men, F16: Men and Women: Change of Biology. A group of solar and lunar motifs is strongly connected with all the sets above as in "Melazonia" they systematically occur in the same texts with the motifs from the groups above forming certain logical unity within those texts. Melazonia is also characterized with a rather specific cosmogony whereby there is no need to explain how the earth or people were created, as they are implied to have always existed, and the mythological history starts with people appearing on the earth surface from another layer of the universe, typically from beneath the earth."<br /><br />Malcolm,<br /><br />"The bright stars in Crux [the Southern Cross] were known to the Ancient Greeks, where Ptolemy regarded them as part of the constellation Centaurus.[1][2] They were entirely visible as far north as Britain in the fourth millennium BC. However, the precession of the equinoxes gradually lowered the stars below the European horizon, and they were eventually forgotten by the inhabitants of northern latitudes.[3] By 400 CE, the stars in the constellation we now call Crux never rose above the horizon throughout most of Europe."<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CruxPeter Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-45703883297868220642021-03-23T19:11:48.986-04:002021-03-23T19:11:48.986-04:00I think we can rule out the Asian origin hypothesi...I think we can rule out the Asian origin hypothesis. The Southern Cross is invisible in most of Asia, and certainly low on the horizon, and not prominent, in areas just north of the Equator.Malcolm Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672612354161787023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-79537083504303540192021-03-23T13:45:21.666-04:002021-03-23T13:45:21.666-04:00The southernmost Patagonian natives (now extinct) ...The southernmost Patagonian natives (now extinct) had extremely robust crania. As robust as Australian Aboriginies'.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-89365534901473431012021-03-23T10:36:44.357-04:002021-03-23T10:36:44.357-04:00What you are looking for is probably the Melasonia...What you are looking for is probably the Melasonian Mythological Complex of Yuri Berezkin. He has published mainly in Russian, but it should be mentioned somewhere in English in papers on comparative mythology. Unfortunately, Google is not very helpful and I cannot find easily where I have seen it in English. In brief, melasonian myths are from paleolithic SE Asia. They got to America with the first waves together with some specific 'melasonian' DNA. Melasonia is from Melanesia+Amazonia.<br />JulianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-14288744648490620982021-03-22T23:59:50.406-04:002021-03-22T23:59:50.406-04:00all of the scenarios run into a big problem: the m...<i>all of the scenarios run into a big problem: the myth is known to South American groups on the east side of the continent but not to those on the west side (which would be more consistent with trans-Pacific contact). I can think of only one other scenario. Given that the Americas were once inhabited by a population related to Aboriginal Australians and similar groups in Southeast Asia (Frost 2015), the myth may have originated in Asia more than 65,000 years ago and then spread in two directions: to Australia via Southeast Asia and to the Americas via the Bering Strait.</i><br /><br />It seems simpler to assume that it spread from the Pacific coast through the west of South America to the east side of the continent, but that the emu-in-the-sky peoples on the west side of the continent were wiped out by population turnover occurring after the spread to the east, leaving an apparent hole in the map of emu-in-the-sky beliefs.<br /><br />There's a big geographical gap between the northern regions of Africa that speak Khoisan languages and the southern ones. But we don't bother to wonder how the language group got so far north without crossing the land in the middle. We say it did cross the land in the middle, and then it was wiped out of the middle while persisting in the north.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com