tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post445612642856477573..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: Do classes become castes?Peter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-83193519906470762702012-01-28T19:57:53.676-05:002012-01-28T19:57:53.676-05:00"England is perceived as having a rigid class..."England is perceived as having a rigid class system"<br /><br />Perhaps the strictness of the English class system <b>in terms of behaviour, dress, accent etc</b> masked the underlying mobility?soupdoganonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-85194664925596570592012-01-27T10:51:58.353-05:002012-01-27T10:51:58.353-05:00I have a memory recollection of book about a frank...I have a memory recollection of book about a frankish traveler who traveled to England, probably around the 13-14th century. Now, to be able to do that, this traveler must have been from the upper society, nobility or clerical, with plenty of contact with good looking people of frankish ancestry. Still, he reported to the french king how he was stricken by the beautiful and fine traits of the anglosaxons kids he saw in the english cour. I remember he said 'they all look like angelots'. <br /><br />That doesn't mean frankish kids from the nobility were ugly, but since anglosaxon and frankish nobility share a common germanic ancestry, this point to an accelerated accumulation of neotenic traits in the anglosaxon nobility once they were installed and isolated in England. At the same time the frankish nobility was receiving more diverse genetic influence, latine in particular. <br /><br />So the english were breeding an upper caste of 'angelots', at least for a while. I am sure it was not intentional but probably through sexual selection, that was the result anyway. Sexual selection during the middle ages was probably extremely strong with all these warfares and extra women available in the upper class and nobility.Ben10noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-3217987427405691112012-01-25T04:54:33.494-05:002012-01-25T04:54:33.494-05:00^
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/games-prima...^ <br />http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/games-primates-play/201201/gender-differences-in-personality-are-larger-previously-thoughtchrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-75833364414394638202012-01-24T16:22:14.155-05:002012-01-24T16:22:14.155-05:00gcochran,
Even Clark was a bit surprised by his f...gcochran,<br /><br />Even Clark was a bit surprised by his findings, given that England is perceived as having a rigid class system.<br /><br />Sean,<br /><br />There would have to be some kind of isolating mechanism. One of the most effective such mechanisms among humans is occupational. If certain occupations are reserved for the lower class, it becomes easier to police the class boundary. A downwardly mobile individual cannot euphemistically call himself "lower middle-class."<br /><br />With regard to Darwin's observation, it probably matters less to upper-class men if they come to look effeminate because of this sexual selection. Men are judged more on their control of resources than on their beauty.<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Interesting study. It makes many points that I and others have made.Peter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-26488144531167843422012-01-24T15:36:06.177-05:002012-01-24T15:36:06.177-05:00http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-monogamy-major...http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-monogamy-major-social-problems-polygamist.html<br /><br />"In cultures that permit men to take multiple wives, the intra-sexual competition that occurs causes greater levels of crime, violence, poverty and gender inequality than in societies that institutionalize and practice monogamous marriage."<br /><br />"Considered the most comprehensive study of polygamy and the institution of marriage, the study finds significantly higher levels rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and fraud in polygynous cultures. "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-75076492556965275922012-01-23T06:18:38.350-05:002012-01-23T06:18:38.350-05:00Re the inflow of beautiful women into the uppercla...Re the inflow of beautiful women into the upperclass. I don't think that would make upper class men more handsome. Folk wisdom would have it that upper class men are 'chinless wonders'. Steve Sailer had an interesting post about this <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/07/why-doesnt-evolution-get-rid-of-ugly.html" rel="nofollow">"Why doesn't evolution get rid of ugly people?" </a><br /><br />I would like to make a suggestion for a population that provides a window into Europe,s evolutionary past - the Irish. My grandfather was half Irish. He was a very heavy drinker but never got a hangover (until a stroke at 48). His teeth closed edge to edge, like a Cromagnon's.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-7990796454436528562012-01-22T10:24:55.193-05:002012-01-22T10:24:55.193-05:00I think there is an analogy with what was once obs...I think there is an analogy with what was once observed in Galapagos Finches. Under unusual environmental conditions they were beginning to form into two subsets one with robust beaks one with gracile beaks. (The average sized beaks were at a disadvantage for obtaining food). For two castes to form wouldn't the intermediate class of society have to be at a disadvantage?Seannoreply@blogger.com