tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post5180048174009687306..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: The other slave tradePeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-31326373029869198842019-09-03T02:03:37.519-04:002019-09-03T02:03:37.519-04:00The Crimean and Nogai Khanates were the ones who d...The Crimean and Nogai Khanates were the ones who did the actual raiding. They did this many times every year. It's estimated that at least three million people were enslaved.Donarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-88709167717980948782015-04-28T17:54:39.558-04:002015-04-28T17:54:39.558-04:00Do not forget the influence of the oldest traders ...Do not forget the influence of the oldest traders of white female flesh from Europe ~ there is no mention made here of the contribution of Jews to White slavery, a problem that is still huge especially in Israel where slavery is still legal. <br /><br />Study the Zvi Midgal, for example. <br /><br />http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.ca/2009/09/zwi-migdal-from-wikipedia-free.html<br /><br />Also here:<br /><br />http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.ca/2012/01/jews-and-white-slavery.htmlNoor al Haqiqahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08324677503909144567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72854113223088009882014-04-08T00:46:23.532-04:002014-04-08T00:46:23.532-04:00This web site is really a walk-through for all of ...This web site is really a walk-through for all of the info you wanted about this and didn’t know who to ask. Glimpse here, and you’ll definitely discover it…. <a href="http://bolainter.net/sbobet-casino-online" rel="nofollow">Sbobet Casino</a> <a href="http://bolainter.net/agen-ibcbet-online" rel="nofollow">Agen Ibcbet</a>Judi Bolahttp://bolainter.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-86153929085634574532013-07-21T06:45:28.397-04:002013-07-21T06:45:28.397-04:00Without slave traders preying on settlers, the ...<i>Without slave traders preying on settlers, the 'black earth' of Ukraine would have fed all Europe. Who knows how that would have affected European expansion into the Americas.</i><br /><br />Er... How many slaves do you think these guys actually took?<br /><br />Also, didn't this stuff happen through local intermediaries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-16959354571740015552013-07-21T06:43:35.535-04:002013-07-21T06:43:35.535-04:00I think the female slaves were for harems so they&...<i>I think the female slaves were for harems so they'd be out of the sun</i><br /><br />Sure.<br /><br />I'm talking about how, even if the same sexual selective dynamics played out in all regions of the world, we'd expect darker skins to be the sexual selective optimum in sunnier countries, because of photodamage, such as sunburn (which doesn't hit fitness, but makes people look uglier).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-50697891810814848522013-07-20T02:07:53.264-04:002013-07-20T02:07:53.264-04:00"A light but burned European skin wouldn'..."A light but burned European skin wouldn't be sexually selected for in a sunny climate like the Middle East. Rather a darker but less burned skin tone would be sexually selected for."<br /><br />I think the female slaves were for harems so they'd be out of the sunAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-61580292424529635442013-07-19T17:40:37.315-04:002013-07-19T17:40:37.315-04:00The use of black slaves by Europeans ended because...The use of black slaves by Europeans ended because of an ideological shift within the European intelligentsia, not because it was imposed on them. Europeans had a total monopoly of military force, but abolition of slavery came about through acceptance of abstract ethical principles.<br /><br />Non European societies enslaved Europeans for a millenium without ever moving beyond their traditional view of Europeans as fair game. Their woman stealing only ended because they no longer were strong enough to take Europeans as sex slaves.<br /><br />Without slave traders preying on settlers, the 'black earth' of Ukraine would have fed all Europe. Who knows how that would have affected European expansion into the Americas.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-77051910598725442832013-07-18T19:56:48.808-04:002013-07-18T19:56:48.808-04:00Thanks for writing this. I found it fascinating. I...Thanks for writing this. I found it fascinating. It is surprising how little people know about the slavery of Europeans. Shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-43788837573618847162013-07-18T15:10:13.355-04:002013-07-18T15:10:13.355-04:00On the skin color question...
I can buy that sele...On the skin color question...<br /><br />I can buy that selection for fairer skin operates in most cultures.<br /><br />On the other hand, it seems like that would be limited, by the sun, even if the selective pressure was the same.<br /><br />On the basis that, who would really sexually select English folks, for example, in an environment where the genetics for paleness led to them being permanently sunburned?<br /><br />Sunburn just doesn't look that good. It gets infected and aged and all fucked up. That might not present a risk of death (and skin cancer would be a small risk to fitness), but it would mess up sexual appeal completely.<br /><br />A light but burned European skin wouldn't be sexually selected for in a sunny climate like the Middle East. Rather a darker but less burned skin tone would be sexually selected for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-76432879027480422732013-07-17T14:13:15.732-04:002013-07-17T14:13:15.732-04:00Anon,
Eastern European women certainly met the cr...Anon,<br /><br />Eastern European women certainly met the criteria that the buyers were looking for, but there was another factor: the relative military weakness of Eastern Europe, particularly in the territories north of the Black Sea.<br /><br />Szopeno,<br /><br />Internal quarrels were a problem for all European states at that time. The Turks were apparently invited into Hungary as part of a dynastic dispute. Later on, Great Britain proved to be just as bad by supporting the Ottoman Empire against Russia.<br /><br />Sins,<br /><br />Yes, the difference in skin color was not as great, and there was much overlap.<br /><br />Staff,<br /><br />Preference for hair color is frequency-dependent, i.e., the less common the hair color, the more attractive it becomes. There may be a similar frequency dependence with skin color, although I'm not aware of any studies on the subjectPeter Frostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46869816167273580992013-07-17T06:28:07.276-04:002013-07-17T06:28:07.276-04:00As a fair-skinned White person I should probably d...As a fair-skinned White person I should probably demand an apology and some economic compensation ; )<br /><br />Is there some evolutionary explanation for having an exotic taste? It seems the opposite, mild inbreeding would increase your fitness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47714639106496040052013-07-16T12:46:15.285-04:002013-07-16T12:46:15.285-04:00"There is no evidence of it during Roman time...<i>"There is no evidence of it during Roman times, at least not on a large scale. If a Roman notable wanted a bride with milk-white skin, he would look among the families in his entourage and not among the slaves at the local market. After all, a native-born woman of good family would bring a dowry and valuable family connections." </i><br /><br /><br />Ancient romans had Nordic racial features so maybe for these reason were not stunned by lighter pigmented features of north or eastern european females. The facial type of ancient Romans were not native to the Mediterranean basin, but is more at home in the north. The movements from the north introduced Nordics of two varieties; the classic Hallstatt type, and the Keltic Iron Age type which was later to form the basic racial element among the Roman patricians.<br /><br />http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/romans.html<br /><br />Estimates of the percentage of the population of Italy who were slaves range from 30 to 40 percent in the 1st century BC, upwards of two to three million slaves in Italy by the end of the 1st century BC, about 35% to 40% of Italy's population. Slaves were drawn from all over Europe and the Mediterranean, including Celts, Germans, Thracians, Greeks, Carthaginians, and black Africans, usually called "Ethiopians" in Greek and Latin sources.Johnny Sinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-39823806320929965832013-07-15T06:11:28.856-04:002013-07-15T06:11:28.856-04:00What's may be of interest to my western friend...What's may be of interest to my western friends, the reason the raids continued is because first when nobles wanted to have a standing army, the king sabotaged all the reforms because they were advanced by middle nobility and he prefered aristocracy (and the issues who would pay for that were reallyy dividing them). Later, when kings wanted to increase the army, nobles were suspicious that kings wanted really to attack parliament and change the system into absolutist monarchy (even when Sobieski desperately wanted to amass the army to fight the Turks, the pamphlets were making rounds through Poland that the danger is imaginary and the real reason king is seeking to increase the army is that he wants to introduce heritable monarchy and destroy golden freedom principles...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-639536026021237392013-07-14T13:00:17.750-04:002013-07-14T13:00:17.750-04:00It has always been known for several centuries tha...It has always been known for several centuries that eastern women are the most beautiful in Europe. Genghis Khan had a penchant for beautiful slavs. During the invasion of the Mongol armies, all the young captives girls were then exhibited and Khan chose as concubines those females of the highest quality. Emperor Napoleon had several mates, and their preferred mistresses were eastern women, like Maria Countess Walewska, a Polish noblewoman.<br /><br />As Peter has posted, Tatars attacked the Ukrainian Black Sea coast for getting concubines and sexual slaves. The Nordic Vikings also took local wives for their settlement in the region. <br /><br />Perhaps the key is the Hajnal line, and digital radio correlations and other parameters. The Slav features seem to be more feminine than in Western women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72335737674452295882013-07-14T04:34:17.322-04:002013-07-14T04:34:17.322-04:00Very interesting.Very interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-84283353000617270722013-07-13T12:51:44.714-04:002013-07-13T12:51:44.714-04:00Roxelana<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxelana" rel="nofollow">Roxelana</a>Seannoreply@blogger.com