tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post6229803217021913926..comments2024-03-22T15:55:34.030-04:00Comments on Evo and Proud: The White Man's burdenPeter Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04303172060029254340noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-72426194730530346512014-11-06T10:57:45.921-05:002014-11-06T10:57:45.921-05:00@Peter Fros
"we're already beyond the o...@Peter Fros<br /><br /><br />"we're already beyond the official count of 1,400"<br /><br />Yes I'm not disagreeing with you i'm just saying it's been increasing exponentially so the area under the curve fits that model - still much higher but not as much as it would be if it had reached a maximum in 1998 and plateaued at that level.<br /><br />(Plus there's at least 20 other towns just as bad as Rotherham.)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-69107917061865687482014-11-01T19:23:50.842-04:002014-11-01T19:23:50.842-04:00"Ok, but these men all had the same culture (..."Ok, but these men all had the same culture ( as well as genetic package)"<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />"Groomers" of Pakistani descent and "groomers" of West African descent are different culturally and genetically.<br /><br />"That 500 figure is from the end of the period covered in the report"<br /><br />Yes, but most of the girls had not yet reached the confinement stage, and a certain proportion would never make it that far. If only one out of three girls were in confinement, we're already beyond the official count of 1,400. And that's just for one point in time.<br /><br />Monty,<br /><br />Most Western countries decriminalized homosexuality in the late 1960s. In the West, the 1970s were a time when gay sex was legal but still openly stigmatized by most of the population. This is where Russia is today.<br /><br />I could say more, but I don't see the point. The gay issue is being used opportunistically by people who have a completely different agenda.<br /><br /><br /><br />Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-82695285009279175622014-11-01T09:54:29.121-04:002014-11-01T09:54:29.121-04:00So gays in Russia are screwing their brains out in...So gays in Russia are screwing their brains out in bathhouses? Sorry but I wasnt alive in the 1970s and have no idea what this comparison means.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-91279101484840098392014-10-31T04:58:05.273-04:002014-10-31T04:58:05.273-04:00"Sooner or later, we will have to confront th..."Sooner or later, we will have to confront them”<br /><br />Not true, we may ignore them until our state, our people, and our civilization are destroyed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-13124212143516643232014-10-30T06:58:28.277-04:002014-10-30T06:58:28.277-04:00"so it was maybe c. 50 at the beginning and c..."so it was maybe c. 50 at the beginning and c. 500 at the end"<br /><br />c. 50 *at a time* -> c. 500 *at a time*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-256069895667653662014-10-30T06:12:28.397-04:002014-10-30T06:12:28.397-04:00"But there were a few Sikh victims. "Ind..."But there were a few Sikh victims. "Indians and Pakistanis are different ethnically but not racially? The perpetrators may or may not be racist."<br /><br /><br />I think this NW Euro definition of racism is an example of what PF is talking about.<br /><br />Counter-intuitively "racism" at the level of continental races is a universalist thing.<br /><br />clan<br />->region<br />->nation<br />->race<br />->save the whales<br /><br />It's a product of and a stage in not seeing the world at the clan level.<br /><br />The people behind the grooming gangs are *supremely* racist but at a lower level.<br /><br />Their level of hostility regarding "us" vs "them" and their total disregard for the well-being for whoever isn't "us" is far greater than it is among the native population but the "scale" at which this hostility is applied is different.<br /><br />So yes, Sikhs and Hindus (and Muslims from far away) *are* a different race to them at the level they apply the "race" (aka us vs them) distinction.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-66322437033083891182014-10-30T06:04:05.628-04:002014-10-30T06:04:05.628-04:00"The figure of 1,400 victims is probably a gr..."The figure of 1,400 victims is probably a gross underestimate, considering that 500 girls seem to have been "in confinement" at any one point of time."<br /><br />I missed a bit of the explanation. That 500 figure is from the end of the period covered in the report. It started a lot smaller and then exploded from 1997 onwards after the borders were opened so it was maybe c. 50 at the beginning and c. 500 at the end. The total over the *next* 16 years might be 16*500 but the total of the *previous* 16 years is 16*(some increasing function).<br /><br />Just an FYI.<br /><br />(Also most people can't process in one go the scale of the crime that is being committed in broad daylight so I've found it's better to drip-feed the numbers to what they can handle.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32286984533801299802014-10-30T03:20:22.008-04:002014-10-30T03:20:22.008-04:00The issue is cultural clearly - culture determines...The issue is cultural clearly - culture determines behaviour patterns (average behaviours); it dictates what is learned, what is acceptable and how unacceptable behaviour is punished and crucially how money is managed.<br /><br />The interesting academic question is how different populations arrive at their culture. And the pertinent application of that is understanding what hybrid and residual cultures multiculturalism produces and how they behave at the interfaces between them.<br /><br />The crime itself is ethnicist by definition because it relies on the availability of prey in an ethnic group other than the perpetrators'. But there were a few Sikh victims. Indians and Pakistanis are different ethnically but not racially?<br /><br />The perpetrators may or may not be racist. Some of them may simply have gone along for the money. But I suspect that they would not have targeted women from their own culture so in effect they are sectarian if anything.<br /><br />Luke - how is Allegheny pronounced? Alagenny, Alajenny, Alljeany, Alainy ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-44052298992458122612014-10-29T19:05:05.171-04:002014-10-29T19:05:05.171-04:00Do you think a world where people acknowledged ope...Do you think a world where people acknowledged openly that the problem lies with races as opposed to culture would be a better place?(Yes I know that race and culture are really two sides of the same coin)<br /><br />Culture has become a code word for race and is quite effective, so you see some token PoC taking a stand against members of his or her own culture/race.<br /><br />Using culture as a proxy for race is not a bad idea as it avoids fatalistic biological determinism, sweeping generalizations and doesn't alienate the 'others' who are more like 'us.'<br /><br /><br />"Because race is more taboo than religion."<br /><br />"The common factor seems to be descent from a population where polygyny and/or high female mortality have excluded large numbers of young men from the marriage market."<br /><br />Ok, but these men all had the same culture ( as well as genetic package). It is still possible to talk about this in ideological and cultural terms as opposed to biological, more so because of gene culture coevolution. <br /><br />MergenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-47295436001740424502014-10-29T07:34:20.712-04:002014-10-29T07:34:20.712-04:00"The figure of 1,400 victims is probably a gr..."The figure of 1,400 victims is probably a gross underestimate"<br /><br />It's an underestimate for Rotherham but a gross underestimate of the total.<br /><br />There are c. 20 towns where it's as bad as Rotherham and maybe c. 40 more where it's somewhere between 10% and 40% as bad (so averaging 25% so c. another 10 Rotherhams in total from that) for a grand total of somewhere around 30 Rotherhams or c. 42,000 victims.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-58080962171659700122014-10-29T07:26:43.229-04:002014-10-29T07:26:43.229-04:00"Paki males make up about 1-1.5% of of the Ro..."Paki males make up about 1-1.5% of of the Rotherham population"<br /><br />The full truth is still being suppressed.<br /><br />The Pakistani numbers don't include illegal immigrants/workers and that is one of the root causes of the scale.<br /><br />Pakistani employers started buying up cheap houses and filling them with illegal workers to work in their stores, restaurants, construction etc - nationally we're talking maybe a million or more.<br /><br />It's these very poorly paid workers that made up the bulk of the demand for ultra cheap prostitution and ultra cheap prostitution can't be supplied voluntarily.<br /><br />The grooming gangs existed before as a kind of cottage industry to get a sex slave for a particular extended family and also to service the originally small number of illegal workers but from 1997 on when the borders were opened the number of illegal workers sky rocketed and so did the demand for girls.<br /><br />It was from that point that the cottage industry grooming turned into a factory production line with Pakistani employers funding the gangs to provide prostitutes.<br /><br />So - don't believe the stats for the number of males as it doesn't include illegals and that is one of the key elements.<br /><br />This aspect is being suppressed because of the obvious corollary if people knew: mass immigration of cheap male workers means forced prostitution on a massive scale.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-74657526199030222892014-10-29T07:10:59.097-04:002014-10-29T07:10:59.097-04:00"All of this seems obvious to me. Why is it l..."All of this seems obvious to me. Why is it less so to other people?"<br /><br />One aspect of this is it's a particular layer of the upper middle class who are most susceptible to this way of thinking. They are holding down a majority who are half way between the upper middle class segment of universalists and the mostly particularist morality that is dominant in most of the world.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-40903753769443295282014-10-28T04:00:31.691-04:002014-10-28T04:00:31.691-04:00I've enjoyed the last few articles. But I don&...I've enjoyed the last few articles. But I don't feel optimistic. I don't see nEuropeans surviving as a majority And I don't see universal morality surviving without majority nEuropeans. <br /><br />The demise of nEuropeans is ironic, like potting all the billiard balls quickly and ending up snookered by the opponent's balls left on the table. <br /><br />Someone commented previously that the whole empathy thing was imaginary. But it's more like having a condition, you know you've got it and you know when you meet someone else who has too.<br /><br />hey ho....nEuropeans look set to be a branch on the evolutionary tree that went nowhere, just like neanderthals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-49362331874591901292014-10-26T21:15:57.904-04:002014-10-26T21:15:57.904-04:00Anon,
The reason cannot be sex-selective abortion...Anon,<br /><br />The reason cannot be sex-selective abortion, since the census data deviate from the expected sex ratio only in the 15-19 age group. If we look at younger and older age groups, the sex ratio is what one would expect.<br /><br />"You suggest that the genetic profile of the criminals is the explanation. But religion or culture is the reason why Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist Asians did not participate."<br /><br />There has been a co-evolution between genes and culture. Human populations have had to adapt to cultural environments just as they have had to adapt to natural environments, more so in fact. Religion is part of our cultural environment, and different religions have selected for different "packages" of behavioral predispositions. I've discussed this point at length in a previous post:<br /><br />http://evoandproud.blogspot.ca/2014/09/rotherham-search-for-answers.html<br /><br />"Why do you think people were afraid to speak out because of the criminals' race and not their religion?"<br /><br />Because race is more taboo than religion. When people want to speak out against immigration, they tend to turn to anti-Islamism because that kind of argument does get some traction in the mainstream media.<br /><br />"And why paint Sikh, buddhist Asians with the same brush by focusing on race?"<br /><br />I don't. Religion is a factor in the phenomenon of sex gangs but it isn't the only one. "Groomers" are not only disproportionately of Muslim origin but also disproportionately of African origin. The common factor seems to be descent from a population where polygyny and/or high female mortality have excluded large numbers of young men from the marriage market. There has thus been selection for men who can gain sexual access to women through a different toolkit of personality traits, i.e., the "lover boy" behavioral package.<br /><br />Reader,<br /><br />"Never mind that Russia represses gays and downs commercial jets"<br /><br />I've lived in Russia. The situation of gays in Russia is comparable to that of North American gays in the 1970s. Don't believe what the neocons tell you. They have their own agenda, which is as immune to reality as their agenda for the Middle East.<br /><br />I know of one incident where a commercial jet was shot down in east Ukraine, apparently by a local militia group. There is no evidence of Russian involvement. Since you use the plural, i.e., "jets", you must be aware of other incidents that I am not aware of. Please enlighten me. Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-39198707811004216232014-10-26T19:02:50.954-04:002014-10-26T19:02:50.954-04:00We think it normal to judge ourselves by a harsher...<i>We think it normal to judge ourselves by a harsher standard and others by a more permissive one.</i><br /><br />This thought has occurred to me as well. One blatant example of this is Edward Snowden. Snowden uncovered some unflattering truths about the United States, which were accurate, but in doing so, his cause has been taken up by left-wing supporters and the country that gave him refuge, Russia, to the extent that Vladimir Putin feels he can now accuse of the US of being "undemocratic."<br /><br />A grotesque levelling of the playing field has taken place. It's definitely true that the US is far from the ideal democracy it believes itself to be. But it's judged by a harsher standard than, say, Russia, whom Snowden's supporters praise for being a "liberal beacon." Never mind that Russia represses gays and downs commercial jets -- a metadata telephone-snooping program in the US now puts it on the same level, supposedly. This is a grotesque and ridiculous equivalence.Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-74966768745359142532014-10-26T18:32:34.153-04:002014-10-26T18:32:34.153-04:00Economists currently strain every fibre to prove t...Economists currently strain every fibre to prove the health of each nation state <i>and</i> global utility is served by immigration. Back in the early sixties, under the influence of economists like Walt Rostow, the West believed that all that was required for global development and worldwide security was the adoption by backward countries of a US-style economic system, primed with infrastructure development. To their surprise it was discovered that the Vietnamese and others wanted to run their own countries.<br /><br />A paleface minority with their own super-powerful nation states have got a wholly disproportionate share of the good life; which is an injustice if all human beings have the same rights, whereby they ought to have equal desserts. <br /><br />Appealing to science to explain why egalitarian principles do not reflect the way the world works is, like appealing to religion or the nation,seen as merely a cloak for the self-interest of the powerful (whites).<br /><br />Whites are actually powerless in defense of their privilege, it is self evident that they must be judged guilty unless they can prove that neither they or their ancestors did nothing wrong, according to an abstract egalitarian standard of probity, to acquire what they have. So for whites collectively their success is moral failure. As an individual, the educated ambitious white only has espousal of ethnic masochism open to him. Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-36082101825246386232014-10-26T14:03:42.696-04:002014-10-26T14:03:42.696-04:00related: http://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2014/...related: http://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2014/08/08/racism-and-the-prisoners-dilemma/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-46916979894767904172014-10-26T12:36:23.884-04:002014-10-26T12:36:23.884-04:00 does not justify denying the existence of univers... does not justify denying the existence of universal and subjective morality.<br /><br />iiiiiirrrrr<br /><br /><br />OBJECTIVE morality and not subjetive morality.Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-61454334014842817682014-10-26T12:33:55.619-04:002014-10-26T12:33:55.619-04:00The fact that subjective morality is local and pre...The fact that subjective morality is local and predominantly caused by interactions of different genetic combinations in different environments and have produced different environments anthropomorphized, does not justify denying the existence of universal and subjective morality.<br />What is wrong is the application of universal morality based on extremely sparse precepts of human biology, such as the fundamental dictates of the French Revolution.Santocultonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-62827544629370112102014-10-26T10:53:36.282-04:002014-10-26T10:53:36.282-04:00Like it or not, there are universal truths.Like it or not, there are universal truths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-22247524158683569572014-10-26T01:08:36.379-04:002014-10-26T01:08:36.379-04:00Prof. Frost wildly misinterprets Kipling's poe...<i>Prof. Frost wildly misinterprets Kipling's poem. It is warning not a shibboleth. This "universal morality" is a meme, an extended phenotype that invades the host to the benefit of the parasite and/or the well-being of the meme itself.</i><br /><br /><br />These sorts of universal, imperializing ideologies appear to be a general extended phenotype of the Middle East. They're consistently expressed by Middle Eastern populations, from Christianity and Islam to modern incarnations such as Communism, Randian Objectivism, Political Correctness, Cultural Marxism, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-3691504978918346742014-10-26T00:06:22.264-04:002014-10-26T00:06:22.264-04:00Regarding the 500 missing girls, were they all whi...Regarding the 500 missing girls, were they all white? Or it might have been sex-selective abortion on the part of the Pakistanis.By the way, while it was overwhelmingly multiculturalism , the Brits have become very lenient to all forms of crime and criminals, including whites.<br /><br />"It was an instrument for raising everyone up to British standards of fair play, morality, and civilization. In short, for making the world a better place."<br />Are you kidding me? What was honorable about the famines in India, the treatment of white Boers by the British, and the Algerians by the French? Why did they deny independence to Hong Kong and India when these two showed potential for reasonably effective self-governance if they cared so much about making the world a better place? Why did they stamp out the smallest signs of rebellion, even non-violent rebellion?<br /><br />"We are ideologically helpless."<br />This isn't true. What is ideologically helpless about America's wars in the middle east or south america, or Israel's general aggressiveness? <br /><br />"When Robert Mugabe dispossessed the British farmers remaining in his country, we could only look on helplessly" So what should we have done? Invaded and bombed Rhodesia? This is merely about respecting national sovereignty. We did what was possible, i.e. sanctions.<br /><br />" We think it normal to judge ourselves by a harsher standard and others by a more permissive one."<br />We let people do what they want in their societies because imperialism is over. And lol, you think we bend over backwards because of feelings of guilt? We do it for money. That's why we let the Russians, Saudis, Chinese do what they want but impose sanctions on tiny Cuba and socially engineer Afghanistan. This isn't about race but wealth.<br /> <br />As regards what 'others' do in our societies, this is perhaps valid. But the rotherham incident was about religion as well as race. You suggest that the genetic profile of the criminals is the explanation. But religion or culture is the reason why Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist Asians did not participate. Why do you think people were afraid to speak out because of the criminals' race and not their religion? And why paint Sikh, buddhist Asians with the same brush by focusing on race?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-55073770080226999842014-10-25T21:20:50.618-04:002014-10-25T21:20:50.618-04:00Anon,
The Empire would have collapsed sooner or l...Anon,<br /><br />The Empire would have collapsed sooner or later, since it was greatly overextended. In fact, it was a mistake for it to have grown as much as it had. I would have called a halt to its expansion in the mid-19th century. There should have been no "scramble for Africa" and no take-over of India from the East India Company in 1858. The Empire should have been limited to those territories where British settlers were in the majority or at least a significant minority.<br /><br />"the Brits might have bought sufficient time to cultivate a lasting reciprocal relationship with the Indian Subcontinent and Malaya"<br /><br />Perhaps, but why is it more important to have good relations with India than with China or Bolivia? Imperial nostalgia? This was the logic behind the creation of the Commonwealth. It was a security blanket for people who couldn't accept the loss of empire.<br /><br />"Consider Mikhail Gorbachev, who completely broke precedent with his predecessors"<br /><br />Yes, and look at how we responded to his good faith. We broke our solemn promise not to extend NATO eastward. Today, we're manoeuvring to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. And you wonder why the Russians no longer trust us?<br /><br />"The proper answer is not abandoning universal morality, but EQUALLY ENFORCING IT"<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Morality is normally enforced from the bottom up and not from the top down. If a particular population becomes the majority, they will enforce their notions of morality regardless. How will you prevent them?<br /><br />Shawn,<br /><br />The figure of 1,400 victims is probably a gross underestimate, considering that 500 girls seem to have been "in confinement" at any one point of time.<br /><br />Luke,<br /><br />In the Ten Commandments, the qualifier "against your neighbor" actually means "against someone of your kind." It also applies to the three previous commandments.<br />Peter Fros_noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-32328297989473975952014-10-25T18:53:48.429-04:002014-10-25T18:53:48.429-04:00Morality has no existence above and beyond the hum...<i>Morality has no existence above and beyond the humans who act it out in their daily lives.</i><br /><br />Reminds me of the importance of "God fearers" in the middle-chapters of Genesis: of the strange tribes encounted by Abraham's little tribe, only those who "feared God" could be trusted and treated with. Thus the notion that man was created "in the image of God" can be interpreted two ways: the usual way (that "all men are created equal" in the words of the Declaration of Independence) or the way the early Hebrews seemed to have interpreted it, namely, that only those who "believed" in God (ie, feared his just judgments) were fully human. <br /><br />See my The Torah and the West Bank for details. You can find it on the web, I think.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734925856292601239.post-13430972140582073612014-10-25T18:20:23.044-04:002014-10-25T18:20:23.044-04:00Considering that all or nearly all the victims in ...Considering that all or nearly all the victims in Rotherham were White, it's astonishing that such a high percentage of white girls in the 12-17 were sex slaves (as we know some were younger than 12 and some older than 18). <br /><br />If 92% of so of it's residents white & 46% white girls, and maybe 10% of all those white girls are in the 12-17 age range or 4.6% of the total Rotherham population. 4.6% X 250,000 = 11,500 white girls in the 12-17 age range (approx) or about 12% of white girls were abused. I think this is a low estimate. <br /><br />Paki males make up about 1-1.5% of of the Rotherham population and considering the white sex slaves were raped by dozens or even hundreds of Paki males the percentage of Paki males involved was massive, and actually still is massive, since this is continuing throughout Rotherham and other parts of the U.K.Shawnnoreply@blogger.com